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Post by sinistermind on Jul 17, 2012 12:01:47 GMT -5
So tell me will you have a painted army by then? I could, i probly will not, i suppose theres as much a chance as you going, sorry my other hobbys/interests take up a little more time than flaming on a forum, i will get to painting my stuff soon as my son has become much less reliant since turning 6 months old, but i suppose i should have been spending all my time finding every spare second to paint instead of enjoying my first months as a dad right? Silly me
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jul 17, 2012 12:10:48 GMT -5
Well this seems to have gone sour quickly. First off let me just say that Smitty is more than capable of posting his own polls or posts on the forums. He, as one of the TO for Millenium Games, is more than welcome to attain the feedback he desires through a simple post and I would encourage it. Next let me add that this was started by a player in the tournament not the TO which seems to make it seem biased in opinion. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion, yes. But when you post starts off with a negative tone it sets the mood for the rest of the replies for those that don't share your opinion. -As we all know fair/fun/pratical has nothing to do with playing by the rules. Tournament competitors have shown us this time and time again.- Now opinions were made, given and passionately disccused. If you disagree that is your right but dont harp on others becuase they disagree with your opinions. Name calling is not nessasary either and I understand that things get heated at time but that when we have to pull back and remember this is a game with toy soldiers. My opinion was stated above and you all know what I think. But let me add I used to be an avid tournament goer. I went to all the local tournaments, supported the scene and even ran tournaments of my own that included some 30 people. I had stopped becuase I was seeing what was happening to competitive gaming environment. GW was partially to blame for this but gamers and TO have thier own part in it as well. Let me also add, there was nothing in the begining of this post that restricted casual players from posting thier opinions. Just becuase you (whomever) continuiously show up to tournaments doesn't mean that your opinion wieghs more than anyone elses and to ask someone why do they care or give the impression that some ones opinion is less important than yours is rather beneath those gentlemen gamers I have heard of. What you have here is an open poll on a public forum. People will voice thier opinions and you may not like it. Thats Truth and Fact. Don't go starting polls then jump down thier throat when they say something you don't like. On the other hand, there is no reason for name calling and finger pointing. Now I support Doug's view on how terrain should be set up and while I dont care to partake in the same aggressive discussion as he does I do have to say some of the things you guys are saying about him and to him are completely unfounded and unjust. I have known the guy for a long time and he is really a great guy and has done a lot for supporting this scene. I know the reason behind his bitterness and understand it. Some of his comments are sarcasm, some are him being agrivated with a select few (you know who you are). Take is as it is, an opinion. No greater than yours but also no less. Wrong. Doug and I have been to, hmm I can probably safely say near the hundred mark of tournaments, if not d**n close in our time. I have personally played since 2nd edition. And have seen this bitter old man at many tournaments in the past. Just becuase his recent turn out has declined due to personal reasons does not discount him from being a tournament player. In fact I would be intrested in hearing what qualifies a player as a tournament player and a casual player. I think you will find there isn't a fine definition there. I would be hesitant if I were you in carrying out that train of thought. Aleinating one side or the other has already created a schism in the Rochester scene of 40k gaming, lets not open up new wounds that are trying to be healed. 6th ed is a new start, lets see if we cant make it a good mix of both casual and tournament? Now that said I will add one last thing. This post here: daboyzateam.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tournamentnewsandannounceme&action=display&thread=3357If you do not want to see this happen again then I suggest you may want to start taking into consideration those players that might be casual that may want to play in a tournament, to increase your turn out numbers. I personally know of 8 people that wont play in tournaments as they are run now becuase the way last edition tourneys were run and formated. I won't go into detail becuase if they wish to speak up they will. I have fun casual games with them at other locations or more casual tournements (yes there is such a thing). Alright truely one last thing...When I first walked into Saturdays practice tournament the very first conversation I overheard was two people mathhammering and finding out the most broken combos they can make up with the new force orgs (Allies/Fortificatoins.) Talk about a real mood setter for the day/6th ed. Luckily it didn't last and I had, for the most part, enjoyable games. To each thier own.
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Post by Icemyn on Jul 17, 2012 14:23:16 GMT -5
Iron, I cannot speak about years past or what someone once did, only what they are doing now. And Truthfully I would have loved to see you and your 8 unnamed friends make it to one of the last few tournaments of 5th Ed as they were all extremely casual and non competitive. Truthfully I think alot of problems could be solved if these naysayers would just show up and see what the scene is actually like, rather than decide what its like in their minds.
Coming back from the ATC this year I can tell you I expected a whole bunch of WAAC hardasses and general D*&chebaggery, but that is not at all what I found. Instead it was 32 five person teams showing up and having a good time seeing 5th edition out.(would recommend going to anyone) I think alot of times people get this idea in their head of what tournaments and their attendees are like which isn't true is most cases.
In regards to your last point, yes people talk alot about optimizations and whats going to be the most absurd, but generally I find that this theory crafting is more of a preparation for others to doing it rather than actually being implemented. A real life example of this would be SimCon this year where everyone on the boards was talking about being downright dirty, such as doug proposing his 9 Oblits and dual prince list. In the end, I prepared for that eventuality with a Zero Comp really mean list and Doug showed up with sisters and I felt like an ass the whole day.
On Topic, I have only played a handful of games in 6th and would be fine with either terrain set up allowed by RAW. I personally think that player set terrain in anything but a casual setting is rife for abuse. It creates one more random factor that will lead to more list-tailoring and math-hammer not less. More units will become unplayable due to the no mans land with: 1) zero cover found in the center if you are an assaulty horde 2) all cover in the center if you are playing a shooty list.
Off Topic, I am not a fan of random objectives either. Then again if something can be described as random I am not a fan of it. That is not to say I won't play just that I would try to opt for a better more balanced way.
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Post by MajorSoB on Jul 17, 2012 17:40:53 GMT -5
Sarcasm off (however briefly...)
Dean, I am gad you posted but you are way off base in some of your opinion. Like Ron said above I have been to many more tournaments than I can remember as well as running several including DaBoyz GT. Just because you have not seen me recently isn't the basis to pigeon hole me as a casual player instead of a tournament player. Besides why should any of it matter?
OK let's talk FACTS:
1) Travis store exist to turn a profit. Like previously mentioned it works best when the players who game there buy from him. At the past few events I have overheard several players talking about their purchases from the Warstore or Amazon or some other place. This works against the shop owner's interest since you are spending you money elsewhere. It is wrong ad I have called out several players who I have heard talking. Do I buy exclusively from Travis and the other local owner, that answer is no, but the vast majority of my gaming dollars are indeed spent locally because I want to see Millennium, as well as Pair A Dice and Boldos keep their door open so that we have gaming options locally. Think what you like but I have spent a lot of money with Travis over the years and if you would like him to verify he will tell you that the basement gamer spend much more money than most tournament guys. Whether you realize it or not, I will bet that I have spent as much if not a whole hell of a lot more that you since the DE have come out. Why do you think Travis puts up with my crap, maybe because I spend a lot of money in his store? If you are supporting him that is great but don't disregard the "basement gamer". There are a lot of players locally that you do not see because of their disdain for the current tournament environment that still buy a lot of product and play in places other than Millennium's back room or the power gaming circuit. Think about it, Travis also carries whole lines like Fantasy, Warmahordes, LoTR, etc that you almost never see played. Would he carry them if they didn't turn a decent profit for him? And before I switch gears know that Magic is the real reason that most any gaming store exists. Whether you like it or not those people are the reason that most gaming stores can keep their doors open and lights on.
2) Tournament players are control freaks, I would agree with you Dean. The problem with this is that sometimes they are not fair and will allow their desire to control override their sense of fairness and sportsmanship. You believe TO set up terrain gives players more control while I believe just the opposite. I have played in many TOURNAMENT games where the terrain has a direct affect on who wins. be it too much, too little, poorly placed, etc. Locally we have a bias and the people who often decorate our tables before the events do set up the terrain to benefit what they like. What I am trying to point out is that player set terrain gives you some sort of control to mitigate a large "no man's land" in the middle, block fortifications, or clear the board depending on what you like. In that system YOU get to place HALF the terrain in each of your games rather than rely on the bias of the TO. How is that not fair or more advantageous to you the player?
3) Why do I care? Good question. I care because part of me misses the gaming environment that used to exist locally. Part of me also cares for those new players who are just starting out and want to play to have fun. I want some of them to come back and give things a chance again. Ron and C4 were at saturday's event partially because of me. You are right, I should have put aside some of my negative feelings and came out to hang out and support them. If you reread this thread you will see why I didn't show up but next time your are right maybe I should be there for the guys I do like.
4) Most importantly, I do like you Dean, that is a fact. I could care less how you play be it ultra competitive or casual. I have enjoyed your company and look forward to seeing you in the future. I think you do "get it" meaning that you see why this game appeals to a wide variety of players and play styles. To clarify, my issues begin when I don't see all styles being accommodated. 5th edition sucked the life out of this game locally because the many of the core payers built and played only for their next tournament, ran events just for that sake, and did nothing to encourage the casual gamer ( who spends a lot of money to! ) to be involved. I think it is a better place when we can play games for fun as well as competitively and run events that encourage everyone. I can play both styles, but I get bored just playing hardcore, especially when you have a few whiny locals who complain when it isn't their brand of cheese you are bringing. Let's not let this edition get away from us and play it the way it was written.
5) Lastly, most of my post here are done in a sarcastic tone just to get some of the thin skinned morons who take their game of toy soldiers way to seriously. You need to realize that and take it for what it's worth just some discussion online about the game we all love, And screw you little pricks about the name calling. Sticks and stones baby, ain't that right Ron, you self centered bastard, you too C4 you slow playing git, you too Norton you sarcastic jerk, are you reading this Tommy you list tailoring idiot...
Oh and if you would like to see some of the "unnamed" people back then make a place for them. They read the boards, they buy the products but they, like myself, want to play the game and have fun with it, not show up for Douchefest 2012 where all you see is gamed list and players playing fringe rules with broken, unstoppable combos. Many of them went away because of these reasons I have mentioned and many, many more. You saw me at SimCon as you mentioned with a fair list too right? Remember seeing me talking with some of the local guys there who were from RIT? I asked them to show up on tuesdays to play. They flat out refused, not because of me but because of negative experiences that they had at some past events. You have seemed to find Pair A Dice too. Ask some of the 40K played there why they don't attend events. You might be surprised what you hear. This isn't about winning or losing, having the last word, being right or any of that other nonsense, it's about creating events that are inviting to everyone. The player base will keep this game alive not the tournament players, in the grand scheme of sales tournament players are probably the ones that matter the least. Don't take my word, ask a retail owner.
Hopefully my post here has not offended anyone but sparks a few thoughts about the course that 6th edition events might take. It's not all about catering to one group but to everyone.
Oh, and screw you Ron, I could care less about offending you, and Skythe too!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by hyv3mynd on Jul 17, 2012 19:16:05 GMT -5
To clarify, my issues begin when I don't see all styles being accommodated. That's interesting because last year when Travis planned his whole tournament schedule for the year, he alternated comp and no comp events, some painting, some not, some high points, some small armies, and some team events. I didn't see you supporting those events either. 5th edition sucked the life out of this game locally because the many of the core payers built and played only for their next tournament, Is these something wrong with that? Did it ever say in a rulebook that you shouldn't design an army to play well in a given format? You pay to play at a tournament, you don't charge people to play causally right? You villainize tournament players but all it comes down to is they approach the hobby from a different angle as you and you don't approve of it. ran events just for that sake, and did nothing to encourage the casual gamer ( who spends a lot of money to! ) to be involved. I would contend that the people at and running the tournament are encouraging the casual gamer than grumpy old armchair generals who spend their energy spreading negativity around the various hobby forums and blogs. The people running and playing in tournaments are the ones who interact with those who have never seen the game or are interested in starting. I think it is a better place when we can play games for fun as well as competitively and run events that encourage everyone. I can play both styles, but I get bored just playing hardcore, especially when you have a few whiny locals who complain when it isn't their brand of cheese you are bringing. Let's not let this edition get away from us and play it the way it was written. Believe it or not, many people have fun playing competitively. Competitive and fun are not mutually exclusive. I still don't get how you can call the list that tabled Steve craptastic (especially since you weren't even there) when we were playing 100% 6th ed RAW. Just like complaining about tournament players and mathammerers. You want to play RAW, but don't want people to figure out what works best in the rules? Oh and if you would like to see some of the "unnamed" people back then make a place for them. They read the boards, they buy the products but they, like myself, want to play the game and have fun with it, not show up for Douchefest 2012 where all you see is gamed list and players playing fringe rules with broken, unstoppable combos. I call BS on that. Like Dean said you haven't been to any MG tournaments in a year except one team event. I'd love to hear what a fringe rule is with a broken unstoppable combo. If a combo was broken and unstoppable, it should win tournaments right? Courtney won/placed at more events than anyone and I don't think anyone has ever claimed he played a broken unstoppable combo right? I say nothing will ever make you happy and you'll always find an excuse to skip your shower and go back to bed. Not because of a format you don't like. We've literally played every format from full open to hard comp in the past year and you've excused your way out of those also. The real reason is you can't stand the idea of looking people in the eye that you flame and bully online from the safety of your armychair. 2 years ago I was the new guy on the block. New to Rochester, new to 20k. Smitty took the time to walk me around the store and talk to me about just about every army. A cool dude with big hair named Mike talked to me about a game he was playing with his girlfriend and handed me a slip of paper with this forum address and told me to check it out. You know what I saw 2 years ago? The same thing I see today with different names. Back then you constantly harassed Skyth and Chumbalaya. Now they're gone and you need new targets to bully until they leave also. Quit preaching like you give a d**n about the hobby and community and act like you do. Quit the online battles and start contributing in positive ways. With that, I'm out of this discussion. The votes on the topic can speak for themselves. TO's can take it at value or not. Like I said before, format never keeps me home. Even if they said "player set terrain only and forever" and never provided enough for my d3 rolls, I would adapt and attend. I have no personal agenda or gains in the matter.
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jul 17, 2012 20:07:35 GMT -5
Why not take your own advice? Who wants the last word?
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Post by Icemyn on Jul 17, 2012 20:53:00 GMT -5
Doug,
1) I think we agree on all points here pretty much. I do order rare things online only due to the fact that I have had literally no success getting stores to place orders for me in the past. Though I haven't tried with Millennium yet.
2) Yes we are a controlling bunch. It makes sense though in a game based on dice randomness is already a huge factor. GW just adding more to it makes the game less competitive not more. Controlling half the placement is random as your opponent has the other 50% and is actively trying to screw you, at least with TO set terrain you are a set and guaranteed version of screwed right out the gate without the added hassle. Again this is an issue only in tournaments in casual games Player set seems actually great and has the cinematic feel GW is going for with 6th.
3) If you want to see the gaming scene come back to its former glory you have to help and show up. You can't facilitate a change from the internet. Bring all your friends put yourselves in the majority or at least even with the WAAC scene you don't want around. 6th is a new start for everyone but if you opt out at the beginning you can't complain about the result in the end.
4) Id like to see and play both styles as well, but keep in mind people do play in tournaments to win. I try to be mostly casual on Tuesdays but at least pseudo competitive on tournament days.
5) Unfortunately, the internet does not translate sarcasm well and truth be told oft times "I was being sarcastic" is the safety net for being a real ass on the internet.(Oh couldn't you tell that was sarcasm?) I'm not saying that is what happened here, but sometimes you do go a bit far if only to get a rise out of people.
Again, show up to next months tournaments bring some friends and put some painted models on the tables to showcase 6th edition for some passersby. I'll be there hopefully with 10 painted Lychguard though that may be too ambitious for me.
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Post by MajorSoB on Jul 18, 2012 1:29:37 GMT -5
(Hand goes up) PICK ME!!!!! (Yes, you guessed it another slow night here at work...) Again, show up to next months tournaments bring some friends and put some painted models on the tables to showcase 6th edition for some passersby. Like I said before, I will. Whether or not you realize it, I have worked at bringing people back to the game. It's tough for a multitude of reasons but I have tried. I need to make them believe that there is still life left in this hobby, and to do that I need to believe that as well. Players like you are definitely the key to the future and an asset to the community. I agree with your last post entirely. Again I look forward to seeing you around. Now let's have some fun!!!! To clarify, my issues begin when I don't see all styles being accommodated. That's interesting because last year when Travis planned his whole tournament schedule for the year, he alternated comp and no comp events, some painting, some not, some high points, some small armies, and some team events. I didn't see you supporting those events either. I supported the events that were not centered around practicing for DaBoyz or Adepticon or 'Ard Boyz, which were d**n few. I even ran a lock in where I provided food and some prizes support from my own pocket. Refresh my memory, did you run any event last year? Not everyone who plays wants to play in an event that only exists as practice for another event. 5th edition sucked the life out of this game locally because the many of the core payers built and played only for their next tournament, Is these something wrong with that? Did it ever say in a rulebook that you shouldn't design an army to play well in a given format? You pay to play at a tournament, you don't charge people to play causally right? You villainize tournament players but all it comes down to is they approach the hobby from a different angle as you and you don't approve of it. You tell me? I guess there was nothing wrong with having 7 players at your last 5th edition event or tuesday nights where no one showed up to play 40K. 6th edition has brought some people back but if you start playing this edition just like you did with the last edition you will drive people away as well. ran events just for that sake, and did nothing to encourage the casual gamer ( who spends a lot of money to! ) to be involved. I would contend that the people at and running the tournament are encouraging the casual gamer than grumpy old armchair generals who spend their energy spreading negativity around the various hobby forums and blogs. The people running and playing in tournaments are the ones who interact with those who have never seen the game or are interested in starting. So tell me what have you done to encourage and grow the hobby? Have you demoed any games? Have you given away models from your collection to players starting out who cannot afford them? Have you bought models for friends who have fallen on hard times because you value them and want to see them continue in this hobby? Have you donated prizes and run events that encourage participation as much as the encourage the guy who wins? Have you played a game with the kid in the corner that all the regulars ignore? Have you sat down and helped someone who is struggling assemble their models or show them a few techniques in painting? Have you looked over their models that they carry around in a shoebox, pieced them back together and helped them come up with a list? Have you toned down your game against someone just starting out? So tell me, what have you done for this hobby other than write your self deprecating blog? I think it is a better place when we can play games for fun as well as competitively and run events that encourage everyone. I can play both styles, but I get bored just playing hardcore, especially when you have a few whiny locals who complain when it isn't their brand of cheese you are bringing. Let's not let this edition get away from us and play it the way it was written. Believe it or not, many people have fun playing competitively. Competitive and fun are not mutually exclusive. I still don't get how you can call the list that tabled Steve craptastic (especially since you weren't even there) when we were playing 100% 6th ed RAW. Just like complaining about tournament players and mathammerers. You want to play RAW, but don't want people to figure out what works best in the rules? Thanks for your inspired insight! I know that people play competitively for fun BUT when people are trying to learn a game sometimes we all need to dial it down just a bit. I do understand that this past event was fun for the most part but I was also told that some D1CK lists were present as well. Was a falsely informed or was there not a Deathwing army consisting of all thunder hammer/storm shields? The error I made was that I assumed this was the list that beat Steve. And yes he is a big boy and can fight his own battles. My issue isn't against playing RAW after all those are the rules, just like player set terrain, so use them. Oh and if you would like to see some of the "unnamed" people back then make a place for them. They read the boards, they buy the products but they, like myself, want to play the game and have fun with it, not show up for Douchefest 2012 where all you see is gamed list and players playing fringe rules with broken, unstoppable combos. I call BS on that. Like Dean said you haven't been to any MG tournaments in a year except one team event. I'd love to hear what a fringe rule is with a broken unstoppable combo. If a combo was broken and unstoppable, it should win tournaments right? Courtney won/placed at more events than anyone and I don't think anyone has ever claimed he played a broken unstoppable combo right? I say nothing will ever make you happy and you'll always find an excuse to skip your shower and go back to bed. Not because of a format you don't like. We've literally played every format from full open to hard comp in the past year and you've excused your way out of those also. The real reason is you can't stand the idea of looking people in the eye that you flame and bully online from the safety of your armychair. 2 years ago I was the new guy on the block. New to Rochester, new to 20k. Smitty took the time to walk me around the store and talk to me about just about every army. A cool dude with big hair named Mike talked to me about a game he was playing with his girlfriend and handed me a slip of paper with this forum address and told me to check it out. You know what I saw 2 years ago? The same thing I see today with different names. Back then you constantly harassed Skyth and Chumbalaya. Now they're gone and you need new targets to bully until they leave also. Quit preaching like you give a d**n about the hobby and community and act like you do. Quit the online battles and start contributing in positive ways. With that, I'm out of this discussion. The votes on the topic can speak for themselves. TO's can take it at value or not. Like I said before, format never keeps me home. Even if they said "player set terrain only and forever" and never provided enough for my d3 rolls, I would adapt and attend. I have no personal agenda or gains in the matter. Let's see... The main reason I haven't been at local tournaments in the past few months centers squarely around you. To start with, Chris Courtney is one hell of a player. He excels at this game because he has the ability to think ahead as well as run the numbers but more importantly he uses whatever he takes to its fullest extent. He rarely forgets a rule and that is why he excels. Other guys try to mimic his success by purchasing the latest, greatest army, spamming whatever is best (Min/Maxing), running the numbers, taking the most effective and under costed units as well as whatever flavor of the month the Internet has decreed is the best, like Doom of Malantia when it could hit troops inside vehicles, Nob bikers because they could play the wound allocation game, Paladins for the same reason, etc. Chris also paints well and is pleasant to play against. He had donated his prizes back to others on countless occasions. He is a genuine good guy. You sir are no Chris Courtney. Lots of things make me happy but being around you is not one of them. Knowing that you were going to be there saturday weighed in on my choice not to attend. I have no problem looking you in the eye but the last time I was around you was at Kevin's house and out of respect for my gracious host I chose to ignore you rather than provoke a conflict. Saturday evening as well as Sunday I spent it with my son and other friends. It's important to spend time with the people we enjoy and that was what I did. Yep, I don't particularly like Skythe and Chumby was not my favorite either, not so much because of the person that he is but because of the playstyle he promoted. If you think that my Internet disagreements amounted to bullying then so be it. Whatever. The difference between myself and a lot of the guys here is that I am upfront with my likes and dislikes. If I smile at you and start up a conversation with you when I am in your presence chances are that I like you and that I am not knifing you in the back when I am not around you. If I ignore you take that for what its worth too. Not everyone is like this, but it's a big sandbox and we should all try to get along, or at least agree to disagree. Oh, and I do give a d**n about more than myself. Do you? Again please tell me how you contribute positively? Lastly, I am sure that you don't have any personal agendas. I have no idea where I would have come up with that idea. If you want to keep quoting me I could do this forever. Take your own advice, just like Ron pointed out to you.
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Post by fishboy on Jul 18, 2012 7:52:14 GMT -5
Okay I admt I stopped reading the posts when they got book long but wasnt this post about terrain placement and not charactor assasination?
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Post by grubnards on Jul 18, 2012 8:21:30 GMT -5
Haha...ain't that the truth Joe. Looks like I missed a lot these past few days. It reminds me of the times when my grandparents were alive... (Still don't know how they stayed married all of those years)
But seriously, with all this talk about helping or improving the gaming community its time to start digging in. Travis wants to run a demo day on Saturday the 28th and as far as I know I'm the only one attending. If anyone wants to help out please PM or stop by and talk with Travis. I think we could have a good day if we get a few volunteers and help spread the love!
Kevin
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Post by fishboy on Jul 18, 2012 9:54:10 GMT -5
I think Ihave volunteered to help out and run basic game demos and paint tutorials. Nothing official....just hanging out durring the day and helping out.
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Post by hyv3mynd on Jul 18, 2012 9:57:08 GMT -5
Haha...ain't that the truth Joe. Looks like I missed a lot these past few days. It reminds me of the times when my grandparents were alive... (Still don't know how they stayed married all of those years) But seriously, with all this talk about helping or improving the gaming community its time to start digging in. Travis wants to run a demo day on Saturday the 28th and as far as I know I'm the only one attending. If anyone wants to help out please PM or stop by and talk with Travis. I think we could have a good day if we get a few volunteers and help spread the love! Kevin That's the problem! Doug, will you marry me ;D I work Saturdays till 4pm. If my wife is working the morning shift that day and can take the baby, I can come out around 5pm. I could bring the foam cutter and basing materials to demo terrain and basing. *EDIT* I've also done 2 airbrushing demos from my house. The shops aren't the best place for this. I know a couple others were interested. I can do these on Mondays at my place so LMK if you're interested.
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Post by norton on Jul 18, 2012 12:48:31 GMT -5
I will marry the two of you on Saturday. I got one of those online certificates and I've been practicing on the pidgins in the park.
I look forward to saying such things as:
"I now pronounce you Douchebag and Douchebagette"
or
"You may now feed the troll".
I voted for player set terrain, mostly as it was currently losing and I felt sad for it.
In summation; I am Shogun.
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Post by Brinan The Barbarian on Jul 18, 2012 12:53:01 GMT -5
Trying so hard to bite my tongue. All i'm going to say is that with about 3 exceptions, you have all ruined the group, and the game to most. Have you guys ever read "The Most Important Rule"?
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jul 18, 2012 15:51:45 GMT -5
Yes please go do that.
One thing that really irritates me is hypocritical, two faced people. Grow a pair and say it to peoples faces. Man up or shut up.
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