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Post by Iron Warrior on Jul 25, 2006 15:22:37 GMT -5
New rules, new topic. Post away. ;D
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Post by johnboo on Jul 26, 2006 6:08:38 GMT -5
Just noticed last night as I was doing stare & compare between Stars & Stripes and Afrika- it wasnt only the Tiger that got slapped with Slow Taverse. My M10 tank destroyers came down with a case of it too.  But I cant complain, I gotta think it was the Americans who got the most improvement in V2. The Stuart's FP changed to a 5+ to a 4+, nice! Of course at an increased cost of 55 pts. |
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jul 26, 2006 10:14:12 GMT -5
Yeah, my 38(t)s got more expensive but thier FP went up to 4+ like the stuarts.
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Post by deathwing on Jul 27, 2006 9:20:36 GMT -5
If an observer has a transport is "Cautious Movement" transfered to that vehicle as well? I.E. My observers and their carriers.
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Post by johnboo on Jul 27, 2006 13:22:11 GMT -5
The forest rules are different - no more Warhammer-style x-inches in can see out infinately. Stands that are in the forest (on the felt as our forest are set up) are concealed and can only see or be seen from 6 inches or less. Stands that are exactly half in/half out are concealed and see or be seen infinately.
Jason & I played it like this last week and it worked fine, just very different when you are used to GW.
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Post by johnboo on Aug 3, 2006 7:55:02 GMT -5
So, someone want to explain covering fire for assaulting platoons? You cant shoot again after the shooting phase, can you? And if not, why even mention it since you can shoot with everyone and then assault?
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Post by deathwing on Aug 3, 2006 8:36:16 GMT -5
gonna be kinda hard to explain without pictures or models but I'll give it a shot;
say grenadier PLT A is going to assault british PLT B. British PLT C is on the right.
A A A A A* A*
B B B B B B C C C C C C
Normally PLT C would be able to conduct defensive fire on PLT A because A is within 4 " of C. However,teams A* are not assaulting but giving covering fire while the remaining teams in PLT A assault PLT B. Teams giving covering fire do not draw defensive fire even if they are within 4" of PLT C.
make sense?
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Post by johnboo on Aug 3, 2006 9:11:25 GMT -5
Sooo.... In other words, covering fire negates defensive fire from platoons not being assaulted (4" away), but dont actually shoot? Or is it only the teams doing the covering fire that cannot be targetted in defensive fire? This seems rather hard to set up; if i read this correctly in the MRB, the teams that can cover couldnt have moved in the movement phase. I think I'm going to have to see this with models on the table  |
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Post by Iron Warrior on Aug 3, 2006 15:03:51 GMT -5
Ok I just read the covering fire rules. pg 76 & 77
What I make of it is that its really a repeat of the rules with a minor tweak.
Teams that give covering fire cannot assualt. Since they dont count as assultuing, Enemy Teams within 4" of the Covering fire teams dont get to Defensive fire against them (since they are not assualting)
Redundant huh?
While we are on the topic of assualting. I found the rules for Infantry assualtng vehicles and when the vehicle gets no defensive fire.
The Infantry must do all 3 things:
1.)Not move in the movement step
2.)Not shoot in the shooting step
3.)Be in concealing terrain before he starts the assualt.
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Post by Iron Warrior on Aug 4, 2006 13:34:42 GMT -5
Concealing terrain is defined on Page 36 of the MiRB (Page 58 of the MRB V2) as:
"Concealing terrain is any terrain feature on the tabletop..."
So it has to be a terrain feature, not just foxholes in the open.
Foxholes are just part of being dug-in, which is a state of a platoon, not a terrain feature.
So dug-in troops in the open still get the full brunt of any DF from tanks if they assault.
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Post by johnboo on Aug 4, 2006 14:13:56 GMT -5
I dont have my book with me, but I recall specific references to "concealed in the open" and "count as concealed". I believe its in the rules for movement regarding infantry. I'll have to look when I get home.
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Post by Iron Warrior on Aug 4, 2006 16:03:34 GMT -5
The problem that arise is that is states that you must be in Concealing terrain....in the open is not considered "IN concealing terrain" -I actually took that from a post on the FoW forum-
pg 41 mimi rulebook, last sentence, Going to Ground: ".....even if your not in concealing terrain." Mean you can go to ground and be concealed even if not in concealing terrain.
In order to assualt a tank and have it not get defensive fire you need to be IN concealing terrain.
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Post by johnboo on Aug 4, 2006 19:12:34 GMT -5
Oh, you are continuing your post above regarding tank defensive fire. I thought you were starting another discussion.
Carry on. ;D
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Post by Iron Warrior on Aug 4, 2006 20:46:05 GMT -5
Sorry John, I think in blocks. hehe...post some...then come back and post more. lol
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