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Post by adsvampire on May 19, 2008 16:05:36 GMT -5
I have a few "race specific" comp restrictions to add that seem to have been left out:
Dwarves - cannot march if enemy within 8". I know what the dwarf book says but it must be a typo. Everyone else in warhammer can be march blocked ... including Chaos Dwarves. I can come up with some long bullnuts explanation as to why dwarves can be march blocked if you like.
- no more than 1 warmachine of the same type
- Dwarves do not get 2 extra dispel dice. Chaos dwarves don't get them. So, despite what the rule book says, this must be a typo. I can come up with some long bullnuts explanation as to why dwarves lose the 2 bonus dispel dice if you like.
Max 3 ratling guns
This definitely needs to be in there because ratling guns are so good now.
Max 3 chariots (or units of chariots)
For beasts and warriors of chaos chariots are one of the best units they can get. So lets restrict the hell out of them because dwarves don't get them ... yeah ...
You don't feel that the changes to chariots in the recent books limits them enough?
Fell bats and bat swarms are not infantry for invocation
Yay! More arbitrary rules made up to benefit your army of choice (dwarves) ... what a surprise. Let me guess, flyers still are not infantry in "Boldo's Book of made up rules (BBMUR)". Awesome!
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Post by adsvampire on May 20, 2008 12:18:45 GMT -5
Just one more:
*No duplicate rare choices
Does this look at all fair for a High Elf player? Why can he take just one eagle and one RBT? Are they really that overpowering?
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Post by Norton on May 20, 2008 14:14:50 GMT -5
AiDSvampire-
"All 2 for 1 choices are treated as one choice so 2 Orc and Goblin Spear Chukkers would be one choice but the 3 one would be 2 choices so it is a duplicate."
So unless you really feel the need to field 3-4 bolt throwers you can at least pull this particular stick out of your ass bum.
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Post by skyth on May 20, 2008 14:40:19 GMT -5
Bolt throwers aren't a 2 for 1 choice for High Elves.
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Post by johnboo on May 20, 2008 18:08:53 GMT -5
Right - they got rid of 2 for 1 choices in the HE book, assuming a HE player might want to play 3 eagles & an RBT (or some combo of the only 2 rare choices they have), opening the door wide open for DoW abuse.
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Post by adsvampire on May 20, 2008 20:07:46 GMT -5
That 2 for 1 quote really had nothing to do with what I posted. Lord Numskull (oops, did I spell your name wrong ), thanks for the words of stupidity wisdom. All ribbing aside, you can't honestly think that a blanket "no duplicate rares" is very fair for HE players. A decent compromise would be "No duplicate rares except for HEs who cannot take triplicate rares". This also brings into question those few rare units that count as 2 rare slots. Are they exempted from being taken? (so no hellcannon or DoW maneaters in non-DoW armies)
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Post by MajorSoB on May 20, 2008 21:30:49 GMT -5
You know there is a saying about words falling on deaf ears....
Ask yourself why I haven't posted? Answer: Boldo has his idea of what he likes and dislikes in comp and all the whining and biatching in the world isnt going to change that. Agree with him or not, he has in his mind set on what is fair and what is not, like it or not, it is his tournament and his rules, period.
The only thing you have to decide is whether or not you will play in his tourney. He has done all the rest for you, he has explained what he wants to see, if you want to play these are the rules.
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Post by johnboo on May 21, 2008 6:10:54 GMT -5
At the risk of being presumptive, Boldo didnt create this one, guys.
It's almost word-for-word Danish comp system, the same one they have been playing for years and enjoy from all accounts I have read about it. (Though I imagine the invocation ruling was added). Problem is that it might be a little outdated, as Adam has pointed out with the HE rares & ratling guns.
It's the least restrictive one he's *ever* run and thought he would try it because it has been used so sucessfully in europe.
It doesnt have anything to do with how dwarfs fit well and wood elfs dont.
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Post by boldo on May 21, 2008 8:13:27 GMT -5
Wow calm down folks. Not only did I not make this system I am not even running this tournament. It was Ryan idea and he was trying to use a time tested system from other tournament which was fairly non restrictive. Now I have played a lot of armies of your Adam and I am not sure that any of them but the High elf army is restricted by this. Now I agree about High elves getting a bit of a rough time and I will bring it up with Ryan but this really was not designed by us, intended to screw or benefit any army and is very lenient. Sure the no special character restriction is in place but many tournaments go back and forth on this so it seemed non controversial.
Unlike most of my tournaments I can not fix your complaints. But if you have a specific complaint that you would like to be considered (like the high elf rares) then I will discuss it with Ryan and see what he thinks. If you want to female dog about other tournaments or comp systems I have run or rules I have answered then go for it but I may not respond. If you wonder what rules will be then read the vampire FAQ on the official site or Dire wolf site as I do not like making rules for this game and fortunately I usually do not have to. Finally if you think one army is so heavily advantaged by my comp system then try playing it and then give my your feed back. Otherswise carry on.
Boldo
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Post by adsvampire on May 21, 2008 10:02:10 GMT -5
Dwarves it is! But not yet. I have to build the army first ... but I do have a slowly growing collection of dwarves.
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Post by johnboo on May 21, 2008 10:13:52 GMT -5
Dwarves it is! Oh dear god. I quit. ;D
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Post by skyth on May 21, 2008 14:26:42 GMT -5
I do agree that High Elf rares should be able to be duplicated (but not tripled)
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Post by MajorSoB on May 21, 2008 16:19:56 GMT -5
I hope I didnt sound too biatchy, it wasnt my intent. I do support you Alex in your quest for the perfect comp system. I do not agree with the whole matrix based comp system and I believe whole heartedly it favors certain armies and builds, as well as provides loopholes for our local power gamers to find and exploit. I firmly believe that judge based comp is the better way but again it is only my humble opinion. What I was trying to express is that I respect the fact you have made a stand and decided that this is the method you will grade comp on. I gave up whining about it a long time ago. If I want to compete in your tourney I know what to expect. I cannot say I agree but I do know what score I will expect. So fantasy players, play the game and get your score, or dont play, that is your choice, but Alex is very clear how he wants comp to be considered in his tourneys.
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Post by skyth on May 21, 2008 16:53:33 GMT -5
And judged-based comp favors certain armies and provides loopholes for players also *shrugs*. The question is, which is more honest to everyone about it?
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Post by boldo on May 21, 2008 18:23:10 GMT -5
Doug have you read the comp we are using ofr this tournament? It is not a system, nor is it matrix based or even scored? I was hoping that by using something totally different I could find something people like better.
Boldo
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