Blood angels & nid FAQ's

[chumbalaya]

The Shadow in the Warp ruling is just odd. Psychic Hoods and other anti-psyker junk is unaffected but that just leaves Tyranids more reliant on Deathleaper to run psychic defense.

[honsou]

this kinda gives them a lttle bit more of a weakness against wolves and their nasty powers..bangels too

[MajorSoB]

Holy crap Batman! Did GW just publish a FAQ that made sence?

Somebody slap me, I can't believe that some of the rules ( the ones pertaining to the Doom ) actually contradict the IFAIL!

As for the distiction made against embarked troop, again could someone explain to me why anyone ever thought the Doom could go against every other rule pertaining to targeting and affect troops within a vehicle?

I do admit I am somewhat split as to why the Shadow in the Warp power doesnt affect embarked psykers, but if you look at it in the way that they are using their powers within the vehicle and then directing them out of a fire point, it does make a bit more sence.

Overall, nice job GW!

[jdubb]

I like that the FAQ reinforces the fact that tyranids are different. Their drop pods work different and their abilities work different because they are different. Overall I say good job GW.

[hyv3mynd]

Except every single fluff story about Shadow in the Warp speaks of entire planets and even systems plunging into chaos and becoming cut off psychicly from the rest of the galaxy.

You're telling me a whole planet dive into despair by the psychic weight of the Shadow in the Warp, except the people smart enough to jump into a rhino?

[malice]

Jun 30, 2010 23:43:47 GMT -5 MajorSoB said:

As for the distiction made against embarked troop, again could someone explain to me why anyone ever thought the Doom could go against every other rule pertaining to targeting and affect troops within a vehicle?

Okay - this is the process.

1. Spirit leech is a special rule. If you assume that spirit leech is a shooting attack, then you run into a contradiction between the DoM being required to use Spirit Leech and then attempting to use Cataclysm. Cataclysm is a psychic shooting attack. Since DoM is not a Monstrous creature and has no special rules that state it can fire more than one weapon, it is only right to assume that Spirit Leech is not a shooting attack.

Otherwise you can assume that Spirit Leech is a shooting attack. But since you are required to use Spirit Leech you have "shot" once already that phase and therefore could not use Cataclysm, which is also a shooting attack.

Premise #1: Spirit leech is a Special Rule and not a Shooting Attack.

2. Based on the transport rules, "If players need to measure range involving the embarked unit (except for shooting), this range is measured to and from the vehicle's hull."

Spirit Leech is a special rule and there is no guidance in the rule book stating that special rules follow the shooting rules. Based on the Spirit Leech special rule, Spirit Leech affects all non-vehicle enemy units within 6". The transport rule listed above provides the mechanics on how to measure the range involving the embarked unit since the embarked unit is a non-vehicle enemy unit. You can simplify the rule by removing the parenthesis since it is not a shooting attack.

"If players need to measure range involving the embarked unit, this range is measured to and from the vehicle's hull."

3. Also note per the Spirit Leech special rule, it does not require any LOS. It simply states "within 6" of the DoM".

Since Spirit Leech A) Did not have characteristics of a shooting attack (ie: Range, STR, AP, Type), B) did not require LOS, C) would conflict with the DoM having Cataclysm/not being able to use it, and D) have a functional process within the existing rules set, it can be reasonably determined that Spirit Leech can effect units inside vehicles.

So there you have it.

["LAST FREAK'N DRAGON"]

YES RHINO'S WITH SMALLER GROUPS RUNNING TO RAZORBACKS
AND THE SMARTEST OF ALL TOOK COVER IN LANDRAIDERS,
YA IT'S TRUE. OH, AND THE DUMB MARINES DRESSED UP LIKE
ORKS AND IT DIDN'T WORK! I'M SURE THIS IS COVERED IN AN
EXCELLENT SOURCE LIKE WIKAPEDIA ON THE NET UNDER 4OK
THE WORLD AS "GW" SEES IT!


CIAO! -

[jdubb]

Thank you for posting that, Greg. It was a logical and difficult conclusion on the part of the INAT group. GW posting errata that disagrees in no way diminishes the effort put into that document or the decision.

Extraordinary effort aside, it would be interesting to see this sort of explanation for every ruling in the INATFAQ. It would go a long way toward demonstrating that the INAT ruling aren't made in a vacuum. Then people could debate these decisions logically and rationally instead of just flinging internet poo.

[malice]

Jul 1, 2010 20:36:51 GMT -5 jdubb said:

Extraordinary effort aside, it would be interesting to see this sort of explanation for every ruling in the INATFAQ. It would go a long way toward demonstrating that the INAT ruling aren't made in a vacuum. Then people could debate these decisions logically and rationally instead of just flinging internet poo.

While I agree in principal, I only partially agree in practicality. Just typing that thought process up took quite a bit of my personal free time in order to be as thorough and detailed as possible. It's a rare thing that I do this simply because of the total time commitment involved with being a primary coordinator of AdeptiCon, part of the INAT team, and running other smaller events. Couple this with the fact that I am currently overseeing a $50 million plant expansion, working on overbearing environmental compliance requirements from the EPA, rental properties on the side, P90X and more makes for detailing the process for all questions a significant challenge. I know many of the other team members are just as busy. A person or team has to draw the line some where.

[jdubb]

Agreed - it would be an extraordinary effort. In a magical world where everyone had all the time they needed to do everything they wanted, it would be a nice addition to the current document. In this world, though, it's probably not feasible.

Though that Jay guy is a real slacker. Make him do it.

[sinistermind]

figured the doom had it coming, but the shadow nerf and not being able to put a prime in a pod is just ludicrous
epic fail gw