Attempt at an early Eldar list

[fishboy]

This is just the basic but:

Okay I have not had the time to do a good sit down and chew on the new rules but here is what I see and your opinions would be helpful:

Dire Avengers are still one of the best troop unit out there...or am overvaluing them?

I have not seen an exarch worth taking. Why pay the 10 points for the DA exarch plus any wargear you chose to give him? I see this as a run and shoot unit so no reason to add him...right?

Spiders are nice...really nice. Again though what is the value of an Exarch? Run and shoot tactic here too

Is there any reason to take the sword on the Wraith Knight? I mean it looks cool as heck but it really does not do anything... Best load out I see with these guys is keep it stock or do the suncannon and add a multi laser for TL the suncannon. Deep strike them in close to the enemy lines, blow crap up, then charge and decimate hehe.

Avatar is cool but is he worth it? In a world of run and shoot is he really worth the 195 points? Maybe keep him back with your scoring units to keep them fearless or keep the enemy from assulting them?

Farseer...nice but I think a stock farseer is the way to go. Underwhelmed with runes of warding and witnessing. Maybe skip the avaatar and go with 2 stock farseers instead?

Fire Prism....must have. For the points I think it is valuable.

Waveserpents are great with the BL and BS 4 now. Not sure why the ML is so much more expensive but it means I will have to re-tool my WS.

So with all this and my Tauish tactic of run/shoot/run here is my attempt at a list:

2 Stock Farseers
2 10 man units of dire avengers (one with BL Wave Serpant)
2 8 man units of snipers (take and hold objectives)
10 man unit of spiders
WraithKnight stock
Wraithknight with suncannon and Multi-Laser
Crismon Fighter stock
Hemlock flyer stock

Might be enough points to add either another BL wave serpant or a fire prism. Goal is to not waste points on wargear but to add models to maximize the move and shoot tactic.

Opinions?

[sinistermind]

Im not sure i agree with dire avengers being one of the best troop choices, they ARE good but they seem a little expensive compared to the hyped up jetbikes..

there are reasons to take some exarchs, the scorps and banshees NEED them in my opinion, spider and avengers not so much, Im taking one with my fire dragons because he adds BS5 and can get fast shot..

the improvement of fire prisms cannot be overstated

I agree the avatar in most eldar lists is best suited to babysit backfield campers(wont stop me from buying the FW model hehe)

The list you have put together looks decent, 2 wraithknights can be a headache if you dont have their kyrptonite(poison,fleshbane,Monster hunter,lots of lascannons/missiles)
Not sure about the flyers yet until i do some playtesting, especially the hemlock... other than that your list seems pretty clear cut maximizing infantry and psychic powers with MC and flier support

my 1850 list i will be practising with and using at the GT is:

Bastion w/ quad gun 125

Fuegan 220

Farseer on Jetbike 150
-spear
-runes of witnessing
-Spirit stone of Anath'lan

2 warlocks 90
-1 w/ spear, jetbike

4 fire dragons(Insert fuegan) (145) 290
1 Exarch
-Firepike, fast shot
wave serpent 145
- TL scatter, Shuriken cannon upgrade
-holofield

10 Jetbikes(insert jet-seer and jet-lock) 200
-3 cannons

6 Jetbikes 122
-2 cannons

10 Guardians 110
-scatter laser

5 rangers 60

Crimson hunter Exarch 180
-Pulse laser, 2 bright lances

Fire prism 150
-holo-fields, spirit stones

Fire prism 150
-holo-fields, spirit stones


jet-lock will roll on his rune if he doesnt get +1 armour save he will probably keep primaris for shrouded(so either 2+ armour on bikes or 2+/3+ cover depending if shooting or boosting)

Farseer will (unless rolls something better) have at least prescience from Divination and Guide from runes, + another from runes of fate.. so he would use prescience on his bike unit and throw out guide to whoever within 24" can use rerolls to hit

[pogysnacks]

From what I saw yesterday from our local store tourney, the hobbit, they allowed new eldar because the organizer realizes people utilize his tournaments for playtesting, the new eldar are very good solo, the guy packing a sun cannon wraithknight (beautifully painted model) ran a spiritseer and managed to roll renew in one of his games, definitely invaluable for a model that attracts the amount of attention the wraithknight does. He managed to do some serious damage, but it ended up dying in 4 out of 5 of his games. We came to the consensus that the rule of 2 needs to be applied for them which in your list looks like it will work with the stock knight which can let away at armor with the stock cannons, and possibly provide a frontal assault with the core of your army, possibly allowing your other wraith to sit back relatively unscathed. So instead of 2 stock farseers why not run a spiritseer to buff the rear wraithknight and possibly restore wounds if need be, while the other one completely screws target priority and stays with the core of your army providing a large distraction from your troops. The stock one will probably die but it will take attention away from the squishy aspects.
I agree with the assessment on exarchs for dire avengers, not worth it unless you wanna run them with 5+invul. Instead of rangers I'd go with guardians personally because they are rather good with scatter lasers and can take weapons platforms per 10 (bs 4 justifies a 1pt increase IMO).
I like the list, although if you want to run multiple wraithknights possibly wait for the iyanden supplement because there may be different shenanigans available in there.i also like the inclusion of the hemlock, nerfing leadership in combination with something like the inevitably twin linked suncannon on the wraithknight will likely see a lot of turtling units look for the table edge pretty fast.


Sinistermind: great assessment, I really like the balance in your list, fire prisms look amazing, they are so much more versitile now, and provide a solid anti armor option from a safe distance, Str 9 lance will make armor 14 look more like 250+ pt's of first blood.
The avatar is meant to be a front assault unit but without being able to reliably get fortune regularly it really isn't justifiable for the points, the old one was better for what you got for the points, and how much more reliably you could support it, with tau, guard, and grey knights to name a few, it'll just be a point sink that won't make it across the table to play on its combat strengths, and utilizing it as a backfield fearless bubble is a waste of an hq slot leaving 200 pt's almost just sitting around.

Striking scorpions are also pretty under valued with their kit, I think with infiltrate and stealth they can be a serious threat with the exarch capable of throwing out 3 str8 ap2 attacks at initiative 6, provided you lay down some juicy targets to take the heat off of them. Would definitely consider them.
Cheers