DaBoyz GT 2013 40K Event Q&A

[jhobin]

Hello,

Just so those who are not on Facebook. Here is a re-post of questions asked and answered. I will do my best to keep this current:

Q1:How many days does a codex/supplement need to be out before it is considered tournament legal?

A1: 30 Days

Q2: Are the Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapons battery allowed for the fortifications?

A2: Yes

Q3:What is the policy on converting and Building your own fortifications?

A3:We encourage it! If the dimension are exact and from a 3rd party vendor like Wargamma, or your conversion is using the GW model there are no problems. If however you are making your own scratch built conversion we ask that you bring a GW model along of the same fortification for any sizing issue's. If you are making your own scratch built the GW model you bring does not have to painted.

Q4: Do similarly named units still count towards the 0-2 restriction when using allies? i.e. space marine storm ravens and grey knight storm ravens would they both count towards the 0-2. Other examples would be CSM/daemon daemon princes. Eldar/Dark Eldar Harlequins, Dark Angel/Grey knight land raiders, etc.

A4: Yes

Q5: How many heralds can I take if Daemons is my primary detachment? They are listed as 0-4 heralds for 1 force org choice, and there are 8 different types with different entries.

A5: The intention is for choices to be 0-2, therefore two Hq choices of 4 each would be allowed

Q6:The INDY GT FAQ says an independent character with infiltrate can deploy with a unit and allow the whole thing to infiltrate, would that work with other independant characters as well? Example: if 2 characters join to a single unit, and one of them has infiltrate, can the entire unit then choose to infiltrate?

A6: Yes

[inquisitormalice]

I would actually post a link to this Q&A on your website in the same area as the army restriction rules:

daboyzgt.com/40k/

[jhobin]

Thanks Greg,

We are in the process of trying to find a better way to get this info linked to the main page.

[stillfrosty]

So Comp question.

In the new codex, a Captain on a bike says that he makes units of bikes above 5 models move into the troop slot. So, with the comp rules, would I be limited to two units or as many units as I wanted as long as I met the qualifications and purchased them as a troop choice?

[shaun]

yes that is correct. The bikes would then be troops and not limited.

[stillfrosty]

Thanks Shaun, now I have just have to figure out if I want to keep my bike obsession going at Da Boyz 4 years in a row...

[dankthetank]

Can I use the plague drone fly model for a chaos spawn? I modelled them with no rider and a different head with the intent of using them as nurgle chaos spawn.
I emailed Da boyz a while ago w/ pictures but got no response

[shaun]

I think this is no problem as long as they are on the same size bases. That is a unique idea that gives you a lot of versatility to use them in different armies.

[dankthetank]

Do you mean the same base they came with (hover base, between a heavy weapons base and a termie base) or the spawn sized base? (which is a Termie sized base)

I also have a nurgle biker lord I modeled to run with them. He and his fly mount are on a heavy weapons team sized base. This is definitely wider than a biker base but probably shorter in length.

[jay]

Yes, as so along as they are on same base as what they are supposed to be modeled on. So if you are going to do chaos spawn you would want the base size they would come with. I am not a chaos player, but I believe it s 40mm.

[driz1]

Sept 7, 2013 16:52:02 GMT -5 shaun said:

yes that is correct. The bikes would then be troops and not limited.

This is from the Comp Rules on the Site
If a unit has the ability to be taken from both Troops AND another category (ie tervigons, mega nobz, etc.)then the 0-2 restriction would apply regardless of what category these units are selected from. Please note that if a unit selection merely “shifts” to the troop category and may no longer be purchased outside of the troop category then the 0-2 restriction would not apply

According to the comp rules this answer is actually not true so can we get this clarified.

The C:SM entry for khan and mounted assault states "may be taken as troop choices".

The C:DA entry for Sammael states "ravenwing attack squadrons are troop choices instead of fast attack"

Seems due to a minor wording difference on GW's end the comp rules would bone White Scars but let Ravenwing be ok if your taking more than 2 bike squads?

Also in my case since im planning to take ravenwing primary and scars as allies and my ravenwing bikers cannot be fast choices if I take Sammael/Azrael and they are primary they wont effect the # of choices in my scars detachment?

I hope you guys consider squaring this away in favor of SM bike armies besides DA. Bike armies are already at a pretty big disadvantage in the current meta and I am dying to see a few other bike armies out there.

[pogysnacks]

I hope i can at least catch some game coverage if any of you guys have blogs please let me know, and hopefully ill see some of you down here at the 11th co GT, i wont be playing but ill be hanging with some other army guys heading out there (my army is just not painted well enough yet, still touch ups endlessly).

Watch out for the O'vesa Star lists, brutal to play against

[professor]

Sept 24, 2013 4:17:30 GMT -5 pogysnacks said:

I hope i can at least catch some game coverage if any of you guys have blogs please let me know, and hopefully ill see some of you down here at the 11th co GT, i wont be playing but ill be hanging with some other army guys heading out there (my army is just not painted well enough yet, still touch ups endlessly).

Watch out for the O'vesa Star lists, brutal to play against

I think Kevin, myself, and Aaron are going to cover the event at The Mandulian Chapel We covered last months 40k tournament at Millenium - I am going to try to make the primer if possible and write it up.

If not, I will definitely be at Da Boyz running my Daemons again. (not the Flying Circus variety, I really hate that build)

[pogysnacks]

Very nice, I've actually been reading the blog for awhile now, after toning down on my infamous list bashing, it has been refreshing reading about armies focusing more on flavor and appearance than winning at all costs.
I will definitely be reading up on the Daboyz GT coverage you guys post.

To reiterate on your list, refreshing to not see a guo and 4 nurgle princes (csm black mace ally) or screamer star. Tell the rest of your compadres to keep up the good work, and seriously test out how you guys will do against the Ovesa Star list, when we were up at Nova we saw it a couple times, and it won the invitational so I can foresee a lot of people copying it (although grav guns may mitigate that), especially considering how big the GT is going to be

[driz1]

Sept 22, 2013 16:14:01 GMT -5 driz1 said:

Sept 7, 2013 16:52:02 GMT -5 shaun said:

yes that is correct. The bikes would then be troops and not limited.

This is from the Comp Rules on the Site
If a unit has the ability to be taken from both Troops AND another category (ie tervigons, mega nobz, etc.)then the 0-2 restriction would apply regardless of what category these units are selected from. Please note that if a unit selection merely “shifts” to the troop category and may no longer be purchased outside of the troop category then the 0-2 restriction would not apply

According to the comp rules this answer is actually not true so can we get this clarified.

The C:SM entry for khan and mounted assault states "may be taken as troop choices".

The C:DA entry for Sammael states "ravenwing attack squadrons are troop choices instead of fast attack"

Seems due to a minor wording difference on GW's end the comp rules would bone White Scars but let Ravenwing be ok if your taking more than 2 bike squads?

Also in my case since im planning to take ravenwing primary and scars as allies and my ravenwing bikers cannot be fast choices if I take Sammael/Azrael and they are primary they wont effect the # of choices in my scars detachment?

I hope you guys consider squaring this away in favor of SM bike armies besides DA. Bike armies are already at a pretty big disadvantage in the current meta and I am dying to see a few other bike armies out there.

Received an answer from the TO's (Thanks guys!):

SM Bikers rejoice!

Hi Michael,

We discussed this and since they are 2 seperate codices the 0-2 limits would not apply provided they are chosen from the troops selection. Of course the allied detachment would be limited to 0-2 because of the ally restriction. Also the 3 man bike unit for ravenwing would also be acceptable.

The only decision we are going with in regards to white sacars is that if they any bikes are taken as troops that bikes may no longer be taken as fast attack. The wording in the space marine book doesn't specifically state that they may only be taken as troops like in the the dark angels book. We felt that it should be similar based upon our restrictions.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this. Please let me know if you want to discuss further or have any other questions.

Thanks again and look forward to seeing you soon.

Sincerely,