The new books & Dogs of War

[johnboo]

A hot topic, thought I'd pass this along:

Some kind person on Warhammer-Empire posted the link to the full quote from Gav Thorpe regarding DoW & RoR:

"Note on DoW from Gav Thorpe.

There's a variety of reasons for removing the reference to DOW in the forthcoming army books, and these are the main ones:

1. The rules detailing how to include DOW in an army are included in the DOW list/ articles.
Therefore if you have access to those rules you have access to how they can be added to your army.

2. We may wish to revise the way DOW work in the future, and while we continue to perpetuate the current rules for them in the army books this will be very difficult to do. Our intent is that the DOW rules, should we produce a proper supplement, will be entirely self-contained and require no references in the army books.

Neither of these are intended as a signal that we are never going to do/ immediately going to do (delete as appropriate) a Dogs of War supplement. They are simply a sort of house-cleaning procedure that leaves us clear to evaluate and pursue the correct course of action regarding Dogs of War in the future."

So, once and for all, yes, you CAN take mercs in your Greenshins army, despite the fact that you don't have the rare choice option. The link to the quote on the GW UK website can be found

uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301082&orignav=13

[adsvampire]

I never saw a problem with the new O&G and Empire book lists including RoR and DoW Giants since both specifically state what armies can take them and what slots they take. However, neither new book nor the regular DoW army list state what armies can take what from the regular DoW list. I'd say the regular DoW list is a no-go for the 2 new books despite what Gav said ... JMO though.

[x2rock]

I don't care either way. This seems to be GW's official stance, but they don't seem to recognize that the generic DOW rules don't tell you how they can be used other than in a DOW army.

Bah, I say play them as normal, it's not that big a deal.

[adsvampire]

Yeah ... Bah to that.

[boldo]

sure sounds to me like they are going away but they do not want to cut off any options. As they are mostly out of print anyways and GW has not released any of the models I would think they are quietly being removed. Are they legal in GTs?

Boldo

[Catachan Colonel]

x2rock said:

they don't seem to recognize that the generic DOW rules don't tell you how they can be used other than in a DOW army.
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actually strait from the PDF it says

Other armies from Ravening Hordes or the Warhammer Armies
books can field units from the Dogs of War list. In general, they
are included in the lists as a Rare choice. In addition, the
following restrictions apply:
Empire, any Chaos, Dark Elves, Skaven, Vampire Counts, Khemri,
Dwarfs, and Lizardmen armies can field any unit from the Dogs
of War army list.
Chaos Dwarfs, Wood Elves, High Elves and Orcs & Goblins can
field any unit from the Dogs of War army list except for Dwarfs.
Bretonnia cannot field Dogs of War at all.

Seems like an unusually simple statement from GW

They also have 2 pdfs of lists of who can take what with all the extra lists like demonic legions and others.
Where is the confusion? Cause i dont understand.


to Boldo on GTs their GT rulebook says...

Dogs of War
• Dogs of War may be fielded as an army per the rules on the
Games Workshop web site or Warhammer Chronicles.
• Dogs of War may also be selected by other armies as Rare
choices (per the restrictions in the individual Army books).
• Regiments of Renown may be selected from the list on the
GW web site.
• Dogs of War Giants may be selected by other armies

Seems like fairly inrestricted access based only on pts army and available slots.

[johnboo]

Thanks Tom - I was certain the PDF mentioned it, but I couldnt check it from work.

[adsvampire]

Aha. Some of us use the actual list from chronicles which does not have that new convenient chart GW has posted on their site. Yep, says right in the new chart O&G and Empire can use the normal DoW units and what slots each uses.