My comp checklist

[skyth]

(I still need to add for Bretonians, Beasts, Skaven, Ogres, and Wood Elves but I don't have those army books)

Start with 15 comp points

General list
(Each causes -1 to comp)

Terror Causer
Flying Terror Causer
Elite without non-elite at same size or bigger (Same unit cannot be non-elite for multiple Elites)
Duplicate units/items (Include scrolls, gifts, bloodline power, etc ) (Except free items)
similar units/items (2 is -.5, 3 is -1, 4 is -1.5, etc) (All artillery and all skirmishers are similar. )
Extra units without banners
Special characters (Special characters with magic levels count as duplicate if you have other models with magic levels)
Flying monster US 5+

Orcs & Goblins

Spirit Totem (-1)
Orc Shaman and Goblin shaman are duplicate items
Orc Big Boss and Goblin Big Boss are similar items
Spider riders and Wolf Riders are similar items
Goblins are Free items
Black Orcs are elites (Orc Boyz non elite)
Savage Orc Boar Boys and Boar Boys are identical items
Savage Orc Boyz and Orc Boyz are similar items
Goblin Chariot and Orc Chariot are similar items

Lizardmen

Scimitar of the sun Resplendant and maiming shield are duplicate items if on same character
The Focused Rumination (-1)
Stegadons, Engine of the Gods, Ancient Stegadons are all duplicate items (even if mounts)
Stegadons(All kinds), Razordons, and Salamanders are artillery
Temple Guard are Elite (Saurus non-elite)
Chameleon skinks elite (Core skinks are non-elite)
Terradons are elite (Core skinks are non-elite)
Non-skirmish skinks without Kroxigors are free items
Skinks with kroxigors and kroxigors are similar items

Dark Elves

Armor of Eternal Servitude (-1)
Pendant of Khaeleth (-1)
Ring of Hotek (-1)
Sacrificial dagger (-1)
Banner of Nagarythe (-1)
Standard of Hag Graef (-1)
Banner of Murder (-1)
Cauldron of Blood (-1)
Bolt throwers are not counted as Artillery

Daemons of Chaos

Greater Daemon (-1)
All magic using heralds are similar units
Herald of Nurgle (-1)
All Special and Rare are elites (Core of same god are non-elite)
Flamers of Tzeentch (-1)
Slime Trail (-1)
Siren Song (-1)
Great Icon of despair (-1)
Standard of Sundering (-1)
Obsidian armor (-1)

Empire

Detachments count as ½ units
Dawn Armour (-.5)
Seal of destruction (-.5)
Casket of Sorcery (-1)
Speculum (-1)
Banner of Sigismund (-1)
Arch Lectors and Warrior Priests are similar items
War Altar (-1)
Halberdiers, Spearmen, and Free company are Free units
Handgunners and Crossbowmen are similar units
Inner circle knights are Elite units (regular knights are non-elite)
Inner circle and regular knights are similar units
Pistoliers are elite units (Non-Inner circle knights are non-elite)
Outriders are elite units (Pistoliers are non-elite)
Outriders and Pistoliers are similar units
Steam Tank (-1)

High Elves

Vambraces of Defence (-1)
Battle Banner (-2)
Banner of Sorcery (-1)
Book of Hoeth (-1)
Radiant Gem of Hoeth (Duplicate to mage and dragon mage)
Moon Dragon (-.5)
Star Dragon (-1)
Mage and Dragon Mage are duplicate items
Dragon Princes are Elite (None elite is Silver Helms)
Great eagles are similar items
Bolt Throwers are not counted as Artillery
Tiranoc chariot and Lion Chariot are similar items

Vampire Counts
Master of the Black Arts (-1)
Infinite Hatred (-1)
Red Fury (-1)
Any ‘Master’ Bloodline power (-1)
Tomb Blade (-.5)
Blood Drinker (-1)
Cadaverous Cuirass (-.5)
Helm of Commandment (-1)
Skull Staff (-1)
Book of Arkhan (-1)
Drakenhof Banner (-1)
Banner of the dead legion (-1)
Fell Bats are Elite (Bat Swarms are non-elite)
Blood Knights are Elite (Black Knights are non-Elite)
Black Knights and Blood Knights are similar items
Cairn wraiths are Elite (Spirit hosts are non-elite)
Vargulf (-.5)

Dwarfs

Rune of Resistance (-.5)
Rune of Stones are similar not duplicates
Strollaz’s rune (-1)
Rune of courage (-.5)
Master rune of Kingship (-1)
Spelleater rune (-.5)
Rune of penetrating (-.5)
Anvil of doom (-1)
Thunderers and Quarrellers are similar items
Miners (-1 per unit if Anvil in list)

Warriors of Chaos

Infernal Puppet (-1)
Golden Eye of Tzeentch (-1)
Chaos Runesword (-1)
Rending sword on model with ranged attacks/magic levels (-.5)
Marauder Horsemen are Elite (Marauders are Non-Elite)
Ogres and Trolls are similar items
Word of Agony (-.5)
Conjoined homunculus (-.5)

Tomb Kings

Destroyer of Eternities (-.5)
Brooch of the great desert and dispel scrolls are duplicates
Hieratic Jar (-1)
Icon of Rakaph (-2)
Casket (-1)
Bone Giant is Elite (Ushabti is non-elite)

[johnboo]

I cant even follow this...

I got as far as dinging an O& G player for having an orc and a goblin shaman, and I was done.

[skyth]

It's intended to actually take each army into account. It's simpler in execution than it is to describe. But post a list and I'll tell you what it gets and why.

As for the penalizing for taking two shamans...Isn't an army with two casters more powerful than one with only one?

[boldo]

One problem I see with this is that many lists can not avoid dupicates or similiars due to core requirements.
3X 20 spearmen
15 archers
18 swordmasters
12 lionguard
2 eagles
2 lvl 2 mage is chariots,
BSb
for High elf scores a 10

20 spearmen withg magical banner
10 archers with banner
12 swordmasters
12 lion guard
6 dragon princes
6 silver helms
eagle
Lion chariot
lord on dragon
lvl 2 mage
hero on eagle
is a 10

thorac
20 miners
15 thunderers banner
15 thunderers banner
25 longbeards
25 warriors
20 slayers
bsb rune of fear +1combat resolution
cannon
cannon
stone thrower
organ gun

Scores a 9


3x25 warriors
10 crossbowmen
10 thunderers
15 hammerers
15 slayers
cannon
organ gun
gyrocopter
dwarf lord
BSB rune of courage
Runbesmith rune of spell eating

scores a 7


This is not working out. The duplicate and similiar punishments are too much for core items and there needs to be a lot more tweeking for magic items.

[skyth]

Mar 2, 2009 17:49:09 GMT -5 boldo said:

thorac
20 miners
15 thunderers banner
15 thunderers banner
25 longbeards
25 warriors
20 slayers
bsb rune of fear +1combat resolution
cannon
cannon
stone thrower
organ gun

Scores a 9

Actually scores a 7.5 - Probably should be lower.

I should go over the other ones when I get a chance

If some things are not bad in mass, they can also be changed to similar or free items. But I want to avoid the wall of core blocks also...

[skyth]

Mar 2, 2009 17:49:09 GMT -5 boldo said:

One problem I see with this is that many lists can not avoid dupicates or similiars due to core requirements.
3X 20 spearmen
15 archers
18 swordmasters
12 lionguard
2 eagles
2 lvl 2 mage is chariots,
BSb
for High elf scores a 10

Scores an 11

20 spearmen withg magical banner
10 archers with banner
12 swordmasters
12 lion guard
6 dragon princes
6 silver helms
eagle
Lion chariot
lord on dragon
lvl 2 mage
hero on eagle
is a 10

11...Or less depending on what type of dragon and what equipment the lord has

3x25 warriors
10 crossbowmen
10 thunderers
15 hammerers
15 slayers
cannon
organ gun
gyrocopter
dwarf lord
BSB rune of courage
Runbesmith rune of spell eating

scores a 7

Scores an 10.5 from what I see...

Granted, you didn't put the actual list, just summary lists, so it's harder to tell