Two army lists

[skyth]

This is what I am working towards (currently) for my Orcs and Goblines and my Dark Elves. Are these going to be effective lists, and will people hate me for using them? (I am Guessing the DE one is a bit on the strong side, but not quite to the nasty level)

DE:

Supreme Sorceress (Level 3, Lifetaker, Sacrificial Dagger, Pendant of Khaeleth)
Death Hag BSB w/Cauldron (Manbane, Rune of Khaine, Banner of ASF)
Master on Cold One (SDC, Shield, Sword of Might, Regenerate armor)
Assassin (Touch of Death, Rune of Khaine)

20 Corsairs (AHW, FC)
10 Repeater Crossbows (Musician)
18 Spear (FC)
15 Black Guard (FC, AP banner)
Cold One Chariot
5 Cold One Knights (FC, Standard of Slaughter, Ring of Hotek)
Hydra
Bolt Thrower

O&G:

Black Orc Warboss on Wyvern (HA, Sh, Best Basha, Collar of Zorga, Kickin' Boots)
Big Boss BSB w/Spirit Totem, LA
Night Goblin Shaman (Level 2, Staff of Sneaky Stealin')
Big Boss on Boar (Sword of Might, Enchanted shield, LA)

20 Night Goblins w/bows. Muso, Banner, 1 Fanatic
20 Night Gobos w/spears, FC, Nets, 1 Fanatic
20 Orc Boyz, shields, FC
15 Orc Boyz, shields, FC
20 Black Orcs, shields, FC, Banner of Butchery
2x5 Spider Riders (Muso)
Orc Boar Chariot
Giant
2xSpear Chukkas
Doom Diver

[johnboo]

Yeah - the DE list doesnt look fun to play against at all.

Anyway, The orc list is fine - though the infantry blocks seem way too small. Is that really a 2250pt list? Doesnt seem like it to me. Maybe too many big-point items in the army at the same time?

[skyth]

Yeah, the Orc is 2250. Probably looks small to you because of the Wyvern and Giant. Pretty much all the models I have (I have another 20 block of Night Goblin Spears, another Fanatic, night Goblin Hero, and 10 more Spider riders.)

I figured the Dark Elf one was Rough. Is there a way to make it playable against using the same models? (This is literally all the models that I have for Dark Elves)

[Krusty (zack)]

the orc list is way character heavy...

and unless your putting a character in the unit, bosses for night gobs and blorcs are way too expensive to be worth bringing (especially on goblins)...

a unit of 15 boys isnt going to do much either, especially if they get charged...
20 is ok for orcs, but way to small for night gobs...
unless you are bringing them just to carry fanatics, night goblins need atleast 25 or 30 for their numbers to do anything (since their attacks dont do much)...

eh, just some things id watch out for...