Empire List: Suggestions Needed!

[parhaius]

So, I've been out of the loop for a looooong time with WHFB - work is finally letting me get Thursday nights and Sundays off (for now, anyways), so I figured it's time for me to start putting my Empire army back together into something resembling a decent force.

Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always welcome. Pointing and laughing is generally discouraged.

Lords

Arch Lector: 226 pts.
Armour of Meteoric Iron
Holy Relic
Icon of Magnus
Great Weapon

Heroes

Captain: 143 pts.
Battle Standard Bearer
Banner of Sigismund
Full Plate Armor

Battle Wizard: 150 pts.
Level 2
Rod of Power
Power Stone

Battle Wizard: 150 pts.
Level 2
Dispel Scroll x2

Core

Swordsmen Parent: 169 pts.
24 Swordsmen, Full Command

Halberdiers Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Halberdiers

Spearmen Parent: 140 pts.
24 Spearmen, Full Command

Free Company Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Fighters

Huntsmen Independent: 100 pts.
10 Huntsmen

Handgunners Independent: 116 pts.
12 Handgunners, Marksman with Repeater Handgun

Knightly Orders: 162 pts.
6 Knights, Musician, Preceptor

Flagellants: 210 pts.
20 Flagellants, Prophet of Doom

Special

Greatswords Independent: 295 pts.
24 Greatswords, Full Command, War Banner

Pistoliers: 114 pts.
5 Pistoliers, Musician, Outrider with Repeater Pistol

Great Cannon: 100 pts.

Mortar: 75 pts.

The plan is to have the Greatswords hold the center of the line with the Arch Lector, flanked immediately by the Swordsmen with BSB on one side and the Spearmen on the other. This big block of troops provides a hard-to-move target to hold any enemy charges while the Pistoliers and Knightly Orders move around the sides to harass and flank charge the bad guys. Huntsmen provide march blocking along with the Pistoliers, and the Handgunners and artillery soften the bad guys up as they move in. The Flagellants tarpit something while I deal with the initial charge, then hold the baddies for a flank or rear charge from an available unit.

So whaddya think?

[skyth]

Nov 9, 2009 0:07:55 GMT -5 parhaius said:

So, I've been out of the loop for a looooong time with WHFB - work is finally letting me get Thursday nights and Sundays off (for now, anyways), so I figured it's time for me to start putting my Empire army back together into something resembling a decent force.

Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always welcome. Pointing and laughing is generally discouraged.

Lords

Arch Lector: 226 pts.
Armour of Meteoric Iron
Holy Relic
Icon of Magnus
Great Weapon

I'm a fan of a guy on a horse with the re-roll armor and the white cloak (icon is essential)

Heroes

Captain: 143 pts.
Battle Standard Bearer
Banner of Sigismund
Full Plate Armor

Battle Wizard: 150 pts.
Level 2
Rod of Power
Power Stone

Battle Wizard: 150 pts.
Level 2
Dispel Scroll x2

Again, I would put on horses. Especially the BSB as he is WAY too vulnerable with only a 4+ save.

Core

Swordsmen Parent: 169 pts.
24 Swordsmen, Full Command

Halberdiers Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Halberdiers

Spearmen Parent: 140 pts.
24 Spearmen, Full Command

Free Company Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Fighters

Huntsmen Independent: 100 pts.
10 Huntsmen

Handgunners Independent: 116 pts.
12 Handgunners, Marksman with Repeater Handgun

Hochland rifle is better.

Knightly Orders: 162 pts.
6 Knights, Musician, Preceptor

Any reason for the champ? Might be better with a banner instead of the champ.

Flagellants: 210 pts.
20 Flagellants, Prophet of Doom

Special

Greatswords Independent: 295 pts.
24 Greatswords, Full Command, War Banner

Didn't think greatswords could take a magic banner unless you had an empire General in the list. I usually give one to my knights unit.

Pistoliers: 114 pts.
5 Pistoliers, Musician, Outrider with Repeater Pistol

Great Cannon: 100 pts.

Mortar: 75 pts.

The plan is to have the Greatswords hold the center of the line with the Arch Lector, flanked immediately by the Swordsmen with BSB on one side and the Spearmen on the other. This big block of troops provides a hard-to-move target to hold any enemy charges while the Pistoliers and Knightly Orders move around the sides to harass and flank charge the bad guys. Huntsmen provide march blocking along with the Pistoliers, and the Handgunners and artillery soften the bad guys up as they move in. The Flagellants tarpit something while I deal with the initial charge, then hold the baddies for a flank or rear charge from an available unit.

So whaddya think?

[MallSecurity]

That is a lot of points in characters that I am not sure help you all that much. 1+/4+ on the Arch Lector is a lot of points for a character that probably won't get swung at all that much. If you dropped the Holy Relic you should be okay.

I would also put the BSB on a Warhorse to give him a better armor save.

My only other concern is the lack of "hitting" units; the 6 Knights could very well be shot/'magic'ed off the board and then you only really have the greatswords with a movement of 4. (They can take a charge too but since they strike last they will have a hard time beating the better elite infantry/cav).

You may want to consider trimming the greatswords and flagellents and bulking out your knights. I personally would also drop the huntsman (never been a fan) and bulk out your core infantry to make sure they don't get whittled down by missile fire as well.

Other than that just play with it and see how it goes.

[parhaius]

Haha... my bad on the Greatswords banner thing. That's what I get for trying to put a unit together without looking at the book. Anyways, here's the revised list. Keep them comments and suggestions coming!

Lords

Arch Lector: 181 pts.
Armour of Meteoric Iron
Icon of Magnus
Great Weapon

Heroes

Captain: 157 pts.
Battle Standard Bearer
Banner of Sigismund
Full Plate Armor
Barded Warhorse

Battle Wizard: 115 pts.
Level 1
Rod of Power
Power Stone

Battle Wizard: 115 pts.
Level 1
Dispel Scroll x2

Core

Swordsmen Parent: 169 pts.
24 Swordsmen, Full Command

Halberdiers Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Halberdiers

Spearmen Parent: 140 pts.
24 Spearmen, Full Command

Free Company Detachment: 50 pts.
10 Fighters

Handgunners Independent: 100 pts.
10 Handgunners, Marksman with Repeater Handgun

Knightly Orders: 178 pts.
6 Knights, Full Command

Flagellants: 200 pts.
20 Flagellants

Special

Greatswords Independent: 270 pts.
24 Greatswords, Full Command

Pistoliers: 114 pts.
5 Pistoliers, Musician, Outrider with Repeater Pistol

Knightly Orders Inner Circle: 196 pts.
6 Inner Circle Knights with Great Weapons, Full Command

Great Cannon: 100 pts.

Rare

Helstorm Rocket Battery: 115 pts.

[johnboo]

I like the revised list, except for the 2 level 1 mages. I think you could do better here, even if you dropped one and made the other a level 2. Just kinda have a plan for what you hope your characters to accomplish - which really isnt much when these guys only have one spell to cast on a max of 2 dice.