Tournament comp

[boldo]

We have run one big tournament and we are already planning another. Now I can not guarentee that what people want will make a difference but given the choice to have judged comp like at the last tournament, a comp checklist, player judged comp or a combination of this what would people like to see.

Boldo

[MajorSoB]

Although I originally scoffed at it, I liked the way you did fantasy, since I have yet to hear a complaint. People knew what they were taking and how well or bad in comp they would do beforehand. (Hell, Matt still took his 500plus point dragon, but he also knew upfront what it would cost to do so). I also am in favor of a more flexible system providing that we post the guidelines for judging first.

Again, let me restate this: I thought the tourney was excellent and a great job was done by everyone involved. The only source of discussion to the contrary was the 40K comp scores since a few players were suprised at how poorly they did. My feeling is that if we lay our cards on the table in regards to the comp scoring beforehand, no one will be the slightest bit suprised.

If there is anything I can do for the next tournament, please ask!

[Iron Warrior]

I think the comp was fine for 40k. I think whats at the heart of the problem is that some people didnt know what to expect. Perhaps a more detailed explination of what is expected out of comp from the judges. Perhaps then people will not be surprised by thier comp score.

Im not opposed to a comp sheet for 40k like fantasy did and I even volunteer myself to help create a rubric like it if thats the way people want to go next time.

[travis]

I haven't ever played in an official Warhammer tournament so if I'm wrong here you guys can definitely let me know. I read through the post today on the various tournaments that took place at Rude e Con(pun intended based on how I heard people were treated by the staff there).

From what I have gathered Comp is a tool utilized by judges to stop people from using cheese and sticking to the flavor of the army that they play. I like this concept a whole lot. Anything that punishes people for being abusive of a particular rule or unit is great.

However, I also think this can be rather subjective as well. I am not going to judge any of the judges here on their knowledge of each factions background or army composition. I do think though this is more of a personal opinion thing.

I wouldn't say it's as personalized as say judging someone's paint job but it definitely is much different from judging someone's sportsmanship during the game and whether or not they won a particular game.

If I were to play in a tournament, I would certainly want to know ahead of time, exactly what would count against me here. I would care more so, if I didn't know what my score would be in this area before the end of the tournament. That could completely change how I play my games. If I know my score is low I would be more aggressive and if it was high maybe play a bit more conservative.

I am definitely going to pay attention to this thread to see where you guys think this should go and I will have my stuff run based on what everything comes of here. You guys play a ton more 40k then we do down the road and I look to you guys as the voice of standardization locally. Sorry for getting long winded here.

Congrats to all the winners,players and guys that ran the tourney as well. It's nice to see a local group that is running quality tournaments in an area of the industry that is definitely in need of it more now then ever.

Travis

edited for spelling

[johnboo]

For what it's worth, on the fantasy side, comp had a rigid checklist posted beforehand. And while it caused a stir for non-comp supporters and hours of fine tuning to try to squeek out those extra 2 points here & there, I really felt it paid off. There were no WAAC lists there, and all of my games were friendly with interesting army designs. Maybe something like this should be considered for the 40k side?

[dragons3]

I think a guide line would have helped on Comp. I decided 6 months a go that I would play Tyranids. I figured this tourney would be heavy with Chaos & Spacemarines. I could have done better either of these Comp wise. I'm glad I played Tyranids, C4 played Tyranids and that Ron stuck with his Orks for this one.

Sorry for drifting, anyway Comp scoring seams to be the only debate here! Look at it this way, you have 3 close friends with very little time (due to life & family ordeals), take on all the burden on there own. "And still friends after this malay!"

The first stake is in the ground here,stay positive, I'll let the veterans resolve this, I can volunteer for other things.

5 DRAGONS, CIAO!

[jay]

Okay,
we are trying to get together this weekend to do a big write up.

we need names and army's if you want us to post about you army list.

Remember about 8 months ago we tried to do a "written list" to fit every army, but no one could decide what it should it contain.

So we went this way. I guess we overestimated what people thought was "good comp"

We will not do this again.

This has not been the only time this has happen. I lost a GT because I thought my Saim Hann was was good comp. Till this day i don't understand it.

There was not a perfect Comp score. If you did have one i believe most armies would not win that many games.

How times did the choas player wish he had (2) ten man squads instead of (1) 20 man squad.

You have to have a balance.

If you can win 4 or 5 games with a little above average then it is worth it.

[littlbitz]

I really liked the way Comp was done.

Reminded me of the "early" days of the GTs.

In fact, I am already working on units to make my list more comp friendly.

Besides it gives me a reason to paint more Wolves. I can't say I am going to be doing a 15 man footslogging Bloodclaw unit, but I am definately going to be doing a more Mech. oriented force. Or maybe bikes...

Or maybe I'll just take whats cool, that Wolfguard bike retinue keeps calling my name...

Ah hell, I dunno, I got issues.

Nice job again guys!

[Wolf Lord Snorville]

Feel free to use my list from the tournament. Also the list I recently posted in the rules and tactics section may be a decent example also.

[littlbitz]

Oh, forgot to mention.

I too would like to see ya break apart my Space Wolves Comp-wise.

I think it would be fun to try and do a Space Wolves perfect comp army.

Ted.