Millennium 40k Scoring System Revised

[travis]

I will post this on our site as well when it gets back online sometime today or tomorrow. Moving forward we are going to be scoring our system as follows.

60 points for Battle Points - Win 16 points, Loss 4 points, Tie 8 points

48 points for Player Points - Everyone starts with 42 points. At the end of each game you will be asked "Did your opponent's behavior and/or army selection honestly make this a bad game for you?" One bad game gets you -7 points, two gets you - 21, 3 gets you - 42. If you act like a complete jerk during a game, a judge can hit you with an additional bad game score.

At the end of the event you will chose who your best opponent was. Player's will get 2 additional points for each opponent that puts there name down as best opponent.

46 points for Painting - This is going to be painting judged with the GW score sheet which can be found: www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=9&aId=3400027&start=10

7 Judge points- These are points that everyone starts with. They are only taken away if you are a pain to the organizer/judges. Examples are not reporting round results, leaving your stuff all over the place, being late to your match, scoring someone with a bad game when they shouldn't have been etc.

Awards will be given out for the following

Best Overall - Everything combined $70 in product as well as a slot in the finals.

2nd Overall- Qualifier slot for the finals

Best General - Total Battle Points $ 40 in product

Hobbyist - Sports + Painting $30 in product

Fought the Good Fight - Given out by the judges at there discretion to the player the deserves it. Past award winners include Smitty. They get free entry to the next GW tourney that they attend.

Hope to see you all Saturday for 'Ard Boyz signups at 9:30 Tourney Start is 10ish. If you can't make Saturday please go to Boldo's event Sunday. If your a maniac please attend both.

Thanks

[smittyrj78]

May 13, 2010 13:42:35 GMT -5 travis said:

Fought the Good Fight - Given out by the judges at there discretion to the player the deserves it. Past award winners include Smitty. They get free entry to the next GW tourney that they attend.

Really dude? That was just mean man, just mean! lol

[Iron Warrior]

If your a maniac please attend both.

OOOOoHHHH YEAH!

[travis]

I wanted people to know some of the past winners to show its significance. Also to let people know that any player is available for the awards. Plus Courtney and Woodcock will get a kick out of it. lol

[chumbalaya]

Thanks for posting this Travis. Transparency ftw. Looks like a good system with something for everyone.

How is the Player Point thing going to work exactly? Is it variable, or just -7 or -0? I can see some potential for abuse there.

I've got to go to my mom's graduation (soon to be Dr. Mom PhD) Saturday morning and my grandparents will be in town, but I'll be going on Sunday (we got any details on that yet?)

[travis]

Jer,

Everyone will start with 42 points. They will only lose points if their opponent answers yes to the question; Did your opponent's behavior and/or army selection honestly make this a bad game for you?
We want everyone to have fun. We are not going to tell you what is fun to you. You can judge that. If you think that someone's list is a tougher then you feel they should have brought, then you answer the question yes. If they act like a jerk during the game, then you answer yes. If you don't have fun in any way because of your opponents action through play or army composition you answer yes to the question. The first yes will cost the player 7 points of the 42 that they started with. The second yes will cost them 21 points of the 42. The third yes will cost them all 42 points in Player Points. If you get three player's saying that they had a bad game against you then you are not allowed to play in the next event. Hope that helps.

[chumbalaya]

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I'm kneejerking right now, so I think there's some potential for abuse. I seriously doubt some poor schmuck is going to get chipmunked 3 games in, so it shouldn't be a serious problem unless they're a total jerkface.

I'll hopefully be up and running (or at least off crutches) in time for the next tourney so I can see it firsthand.

[Ranger Dude]

Travis,

I like the system. The only suggestion I might make is that a "yes" should be accompanied by a reason why. I think this will help avoid chipmunking. It also helps the judges to look into issues if deemed appropriate. No need for indepth reasons. Just something more than "Yes, I had no fun."

Just a thought. Feel free to take it or leave it.

[hyv3mynd]

Gotta agree with that. Last week after they tourney, I was making my rounds and seeing how everyone did. I overheard one chap talking with his friends on how he lost to two "cheese lists". I also knew exactly who this person played all 3 games, one of which being against a BA player whom I considered a friend.

Being curious, I asked him what made the list cheesy and his reply was "have you seen the codex?". Now I know this BA list used no dreads, no stormravens, only tycho as a character who is one of the weakest and had no duplicate or triplicate units.

I failed to see how he thought this was a cheesy list, only that he may have been upset to lose.

Keeping that in mind and applying the new player scoring, its a little scary people may be losing points if their opponent is pissed they lost or if they use a "overpowered codex".

[travis]

Judges have 7 points that they can take away from any player. There are many reasons why these points could go away. If someone scores someone with a "bad game" for no reason, we will be able to overturn that. Especially if this happens in the last round with potential prize scoring player's involved. Obviously some maturity with this system is needed. Again it is not up to me to decide what's fun for a player. Often times new/less experienced player's will say that something is broken, just based off of what they have heard. I can remember when Space Wolves came out and people proclaimed the end of the world is near cause of Jaws, then Nids came out and people screamed about Doom of Malantai, now is just Blood Angels turn in the barrel. That's as much on the community to control as anything else. If you are often saying that something new is broken and then you play something new, you could end up with this issue. Keep in mind though some of the better player's in our area don't like any special characters being used at all. Thanks for the input guys. We will definitely keep this in mind going forward.

[Ranger Dude]

I agree travis. It is not up to you to determine what is unfun. I just think it's a good idea to know the reasons so you can keep track of things. Espescially if you see someone making multiple "baf game" calls. If they have good reasons, you can leave it alone. If they are being a thingy, the reasons will often reflect that. It's also harder to be a thingy when you have to justify yourself.

[travis]

I agree with you 100%

[fishboy]

I will play what ever you put out there Travis but I admit I am a little concerned that my oponent holds 1/3 of my score. A similar system that GW had a few years ago bit myself and several freinds hard due to player clicks. I am also not sure why sports and paint are tied together. I paint well but like to be a thingy to play hehe (just kidding).
I look forward to finally getting to play in your events when my schedule calms down. I hope in the future you are open to critics after they play your system a few times. There should be explanations as to why you dink oppononents over a certain amount and also why you give your oponents a top score.

[skyth]

The points for battle don't add up...60 points is not a multiple of 16.

[travis]

Skyth,

Most missions have additional battle points that can won through the scenario. Winning the match will be worth 16 points. Completing additional objectives during the round are worth a couple of extra points. I used 20 points per round as my base. The sum of all three missions will be 60 points.

Fishboy,

I think what you meant to say was, why is comp and sports linked. The answer is it's easier. The army you bring to an event does have bearing on what kind of sport you are. In fact most people that I know, that run the hardest lists, are usually overly nice during the game, to hope and compensate for the brutal list. Typically they are nice enough after smashing you head into the table with their list, to give you a shovel, to scoop up your lifeless heart. Most of the people get perfect on the sports checklists anyways. It is very difficult to come up with a checklist that can ding a player enough to make it matter. So I acted like a jerk during the game, wow, that cost me 2 points based on the checklist. So this list solves both issues. People can get dinged for either end of the game. Bad list or being a bad opponent.

As far as the system and taking critiques go. I am always open to any comments good or bad. If there critical comments, please try to come up with a better solution then the one being used. It's a piece of cake to say something is bad or not the way you want it to be.

If someone gets dinged with a bad game we are going to ask them why. They will have to state if the person was being a jerk or if their list was over powered. The main goal is to make sure that everyone has fun. If someone doesn't understand the game fully then they probably shouldn't play in tourneys out of the gate.

With this system you will have to take into consideration when your army is being built whether or not you will get dinged by your opponent in comp.

I refuse to have any of my staff judge comp. It is impossible to do correctly because it is your interpretation. Which is never perfect and is always in the eyes of the beholder. It's the type of debate that can't be won so I don't want to have it. It's just not good for business. If you want to debate the merits of your army with fellow gamers that's fine. Arguing it with me or my staff is like arguing the merits of someone's political party or religious views. While it can make for some interesting discussion in the end it is usually a negative experience as a whole.

So feel free to say that I am a sissy for not wanting to deal with this topic, due to it's infinite problems. I just want to run tourneys that people can play in and have fun with the hobby. If everyone acts mature this should work well.

Hope that helps