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Post by crimthaan on Feb 8, 2011 14:07:17 GMT -5
www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/02/spacecurves-thoughts-on-competitive-40k.html#disqus_threadBen brings up a very good point in this article I think. At the highest tier of competitive play in terms of 40k the game is largely balanced (a few codex's excepted...I'm looking at you Necrons). Just because you run Space Wolves or IG isn't an auto-win. Post your thoughts about the article, dont get into a bloody flame war... I know myself personally I can't tell how many times I've gotten stomped by old codex's when I've run a hard list from a newer codex just because the opposite player was better and understood the intricacies of the game that I didn't yet. I'll always be of the opinion that the game is 80% generalship and 20% list building.
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Post by professor on Feb 8, 2011 15:35:12 GMT -5
Other than a situation where you have a Rock to someone else's paper there are a number of older codices that really do not stack up against 'hard' lists from the newer books.
I agree Generalship is important, but some books just struggle to compete. Daemon Hunters immediately come to mind, as do Tau and Necrons. Witch Hunters has about 1.5 valid builds and can be competitive but in terms of raw power falls short of IG, Wolves, Nids, et cetera.
Also, some armies are just really tough to play in tournaments. Daemons are a great example because it is tough to get a consistent enough output from them to take a long GT style tournament.
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Post by skyth on Feb 8, 2011 17:48:07 GMT -5
Granted, this is from a 4th edition standpoint but my points are still valid. Even back then all the codexes could make 'nasty' builds. The nastiest builds from some codexes would likely win against the nastiest builds of other codexes given equal player skill and equal luck. However, it was never a foregone conclusion unless you had a rock-paper-scissors situation.
The 'better' codexes often had several nasty builds in them, and a higher perponderance of 'stealth cheese'. If you think of the environment, you had several lists that there was a loud outcry about. Mauleed Marines, Daemonbombs, Siren Princes, Iron Warriors, Eldar Flying Circus, and Godzilla nids to name a few. If you were using one of the 'good' codexes, you could often find a powerful build that wasn't one of the archetypes and score well in comp, etc with them, whereas one of the lesser codexes (Nids for instance) if you weren't playing one of the known power builds, the other builds were quite a few pegs down by comparison. Some codexes (Daemonhunters for example) could have a powerful build but it was instantly pegged as Mauleed Marines instead and held at that category even though it was actually a few notches down. The lower tier carmy books would have to have less variety in them to accomplish the same power level, which tends to make them less fun for certain people.
The problem also arises when people want to play at a certain power level (And this is generally whatever power level that the person making the judgement wants to play at) and people playing outside that power level are considered to be playing wrong. Combine this with stealth cheese and non-named builds, you have the appearance of playing at a lower power level but in actuality the power levels of the two armies are different, leading to the impression that the 'low powered' codex is even weaker than it is.
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Post by MajorSoB on Feb 8, 2011 23:56:21 GMT -5
What?
Does anyone know where I can run that last post through a "Skyth to English" translator?
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Post by Krusty (zack) on Feb 9, 2011 5:14:54 GMT -5
What? Does anyone know where I can run that last post through a "Skyth to English" translator? stealth cheese is stealthy? i think? |
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Post by skyth on Feb 10, 2011 12:28:32 GMT -5
It's nice to know that I can still post without getting attacked [/sarcasm]
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Post by professor on Feb 11, 2011 16:27:47 GMT -5
That wasn't an attack at all, probably because your post was more confusing than anything else. The truth is some books are leagues more powerful than others and offer far more variety and options as well. These are the 'good' books.
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Post by skyth on Feb 12, 2011 7:31:25 GMT -5
However, if someone else had posted the same thing, there wouldn't have been the response.
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Post by fishboy on Feb 12, 2011 9:00:43 GMT -5
Not sure about that part.....I think most of us would have laughed it off.....well at least I would have hehe.
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