Post by professor on Aug 24, 2011 10:16:38 GMT -5
Some rumors on the SoB release.
The first 'important' piece are some specific point costs taken from TastyTaste on Blood of Kitten:
Regular Sisters 12 pts each
Cannoness 75 pts base
Coffessor 55pts base
St. Celestine 175 pts
Repentia 90 pts 4 + 1 Mistress
Celestian &; Seraphim 15 pts each
Retributer 85pts for max heavy bolters
From a French Translation
Source: www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315141
Overall some units are costlier than before but not by that much (Regular Sisters, Celestian, Dominion, Retributor).
- Basic Sisters are the only troop choice. They start at 9 + Sister Superior and apparently no free special/heavy weapons based on number (unlike SM tactical).
- Some are less costly (Repentia, Seraph but pistols are costly, especially the melta ones cost more than a Fist)
- Special character are relatively cheap, nothing above 120 pts, multiple below 100.
- Heavy weapons cheaper than before (MM cost cut more than in half, dear god the time it required me to understand that MF = Multi Fuseur = Multi Melta in French).
- Penitent Engine is indeed HS, 1-3 per slot, someone mentioned they seemed costly to him but since he didn't remember the old price he was not sure if they were truly costlier or cheaper.
Fenryll answered some questions from Xelloss (who did an infiltration mission):
- special weapons are roughly costed the same than before, heavy weapons decrease in points, heavy flamer increases in points
- VSS still have access to their Eviscerator
- No gear increasing the number of Faith Points
- SoB Rhino's cost is the same as SM's one
- No upgrade for Immolators making them faster/using their weapon at full speed
More Specifics from Warseer's n4345444
Good evening long time lurker first time poster: unfortunately the news is not great (less than ideal I guess you could call it) in regards to the following questions
Blessed ammo - does not exist in the White Dwarf Codex (WDC) Inferno bolts come as standard with immolator Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds
Laud Hailer - When any sister of battle unit within 12 inches of the laud hailer successfully get off an act of faith you roll a d6, on a six you immediately get 1 additional faith point. As far as I can see laud hailers can only be taken by the Sororitas command squad Dialogus
Sarissas - no longer exists.
There are only 18 pieces of gear total for the army - this includes Dozer Blade, EA, Hunter killer missile, Storm bolter and Search light upgrades for vehicles...
Question: whether there are special units that give an additional Troops option (similar to Dante et al),
Answer: No there are not. You do need to a generic confessor or Kyrinov or Uriah to unlock Battle conclave, but there is no unit or character that allows the unlocking or recatergorising of other units.
On a side note Battle conclaives are unit size 3-10 all members cost the same amount as each other (think old school dominion melta gun) and the Arco flagilent got a strenght bost to 5 ( thats from last month when he was only strength 4.
Sororitas Command Squads are maximum size 5
The Simulacrum Imperialis, alows you to reroll failed act of faith tests...
Question: Is blessed weapon still an option for canoness?
Answer: No it is not there anymore. Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds.
Question: Does this weapon count as a twin-linked weapon for shooting reasons or does it only get to re-roll to wound?
Answer: Gets to reroll to hit for being twin linked, gets to re roll to wound for having inferno bolts
Question: I'm interested to know of Repentias or seraphs can take Simulacra or not?
Answer: No they cannot, either of them, although Seraphs have the reroll faith built in – it will not be possible to stack rerolls as they don’t have the option of taking simulacra.
Question: Does a Battle Conclave take up a FOC slot of its own? And are you limited to one Battle Conclave squad per Confessor?
Answer: The Conclave does not take up a slot itself but you can only take 1 squad (3-10 models) per confessor, be he named or generic.
Blessed banner - unit within 12 rerolls failed moral and pinning tests, while bearer is alive unit counts as having scoured one extra wound in combat.
Chain sword - NC
Churgeons tools - FNP to unit
Combi Weps - NC
Condemnor Boltgun - sounds cool , is actually just the bolter stake crosbow combi weap from C:WH S5 Assault 1
Evicerator NC
Frag grenades NC
Nural whip - Strenght 8 but tests against Ld not T - still acts as a power wep
Rosarius - NC but at least we get to use it
Storm shield - NC 3+ invuln no 2 hand wep bonus...
Cannoness went up in cost and now cannot take a junp pack - profound sadness. Eviserator cost NC. Cannoness can get chainsword, Storm bolter, PSword, Combi wep, Plaspistol, Inferno Pistol, Eviserator, rosaruis, and melta bombs - that is an exaustive list. And no she cannot take a storm shield.
There is also a preacher model on the SoB webstore with a plasma gun, do we get that too? - Confessors can still get Plas gun , shot gun bolt gun, Storm Bolter, combi wep, PSword - they come with Chainsword and las pistol as standard
Confessor and Battle conclave count as a single HQ choice...
Battle conclaves can take either rhinos or immolators and multimelta now are quite reasonable (thing the old CWH BSister Squad melta cost reasonable)
Repentia can not take dedicated transports but it looks like you can buy a transport seperate and then load them into it during the first turn - provided that they dont run screaming at an enemy that they can see - Im looking at you ork deth coptas...
Immolator cost is NC
No Blessed Weapons at all.
Heavy Flamer is now double the cost [20 pts] of a MultiMelta [10 pts]...
Executioner NC, no cloak, same high cost of the Heavy flamer is across the board for bss,cs,ds and rs. All of the above except ds can take mm and hb...
Squads have to be purchased with the Sister superior, They have a base cost for 4 sister and a SSuperior with an option to purchase more sisters for x amount. THe exception is the BSS which come with 9 BS and 1 SS with an option to buy an additional 10 sisters. They cost the same as a CWH heavy flamer with the cost of the first 10 models being ten heavy flamers and a storm bolter in the CWH costs...
[In regards to the last sentence]Stupid veiled speech HF cost the same as the old Ordo hereticus Psychic power Hammer of the Witches [20 pts]. The squad itself cost 6 times that + 5 points [125pts].
Light of the Emperor is BSS only
The first 'important' piece are some specific point costs taken from TastyTaste on Blood of Kitten:
Regular Sisters 12 pts each
Cannoness 75 pts base
Coffessor 55pts base
St. Celestine 175 pts
Repentia 90 pts 4 + 1 Mistress
Celestian &; Seraphim 15 pts each
Retributer 85pts for max heavy bolters
From a French Translation
Source: www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315141
Overall some units are costlier than before but not by that much (Regular Sisters, Celestian, Dominion, Retributor).
- Basic Sisters are the only troop choice. They start at 9 + Sister Superior and apparently no free special/heavy weapons based on number (unlike SM tactical).
- Some are less costly (Repentia, Seraph but pistols are costly, especially the melta ones cost more than a Fist)
- Special character are relatively cheap, nothing above 120 pts, multiple below 100.
- Heavy weapons cheaper than before (MM cost cut more than in half, dear god the time it required me to understand that MF = Multi Fuseur = Multi Melta in French).
- Penitent Engine is indeed HS, 1-3 per slot, someone mentioned they seemed costly to him but since he didn't remember the old price he was not sure if they were truly costlier or cheaper.
Fenryll answered some questions from Xelloss (who did an infiltration mission):
- special weapons are roughly costed the same than before, heavy weapons decrease in points, heavy flamer increases in points
- VSS still have access to their Eviscerator
- No gear increasing the number of Faith Points
- SoB Rhino's cost is the same as SM's one
- No upgrade for Immolators making them faster/using their weapon at full speed
More Specifics from Warseer's n4345444
Good evening long time lurker first time poster: unfortunately the news is not great (less than ideal I guess you could call it) in regards to the following questions
Blessed ammo - does not exist in the White Dwarf Codex (WDC) Inferno bolts come as standard with immolator Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds
Laud Hailer - When any sister of battle unit within 12 inches of the laud hailer successfully get off an act of faith you roll a d6, on a six you immediately get 1 additional faith point. As far as I can see laud hailers can only be taken by the Sororitas command squad Dialogus
Sarissas - no longer exists.
There are only 18 pieces of gear total for the army - this includes Dozer Blade, EA, Hunter killer missile, Storm bolter and Search light upgrades for vehicles...
Question: whether there are special units that give an additional Troops option (similar to Dante et al),
Answer: No there are not. You do need to a generic confessor or Kyrinov or Uriah to unlock Battle conclave, but there is no unit or character that allows the unlocking or recatergorising of other units.
On a side note Battle conclaives are unit size 3-10 all members cost the same amount as each other (think old school dominion melta gun) and the Arco flagilent got a strenght bost to 5 ( thats from last month when he was only strength 4.
Sororitas Command Squads are maximum size 5
The Simulacrum Imperialis, alows you to reroll failed act of faith tests...
Question: Is blessed weapon still an option for canoness?
Answer: No it is not there anymore. Twinlinked heavy bolter weapon choice and allow the heavy bolter to reroll wounds.
Question: Does this weapon count as a twin-linked weapon for shooting reasons or does it only get to re-roll to wound?
Answer: Gets to reroll to hit for being twin linked, gets to re roll to wound for having inferno bolts
Question: I'm interested to know of Repentias or seraphs can take Simulacra or not?
Answer: No they cannot, either of them, although Seraphs have the reroll faith built in – it will not be possible to stack rerolls as they don’t have the option of taking simulacra.
Question: Does a Battle Conclave take up a FOC slot of its own? And are you limited to one Battle Conclave squad per Confessor?
Answer: The Conclave does not take up a slot itself but you can only take 1 squad (3-10 models) per confessor, be he named or generic.
Blessed banner - unit within 12 rerolls failed moral and pinning tests, while bearer is alive unit counts as having scoured one extra wound in combat.
Chain sword - NC
Churgeons tools - FNP to unit
Combi Weps - NC
Condemnor Boltgun - sounds cool , is actually just the bolter stake crosbow combi weap from C:WH S5 Assault 1
Evicerator NC
Frag grenades NC
Nural whip - Strenght 8 but tests against Ld not T - still acts as a power wep
Rosarius - NC but at least we get to use it
Storm shield - NC 3+ invuln no 2 hand wep bonus...
Cannoness went up in cost and now cannot take a junp pack - profound sadness. Eviserator cost NC. Cannoness can get chainsword, Storm bolter, PSword, Combi wep, Plaspistol, Inferno Pistol, Eviserator, rosaruis, and melta bombs - that is an exaustive list. And no she cannot take a storm shield.
There is also a preacher model on the SoB webstore with a plasma gun, do we get that too? - Confessors can still get Plas gun , shot gun bolt gun, Storm Bolter, combi wep, PSword - they come with Chainsword and las pistol as standard
Confessor and Battle conclave count as a single HQ choice...
Battle conclaves can take either rhinos or immolators and multimelta now are quite reasonable (thing the old CWH BSister Squad melta cost reasonable)
Repentia can not take dedicated transports but it looks like you can buy a transport seperate and then load them into it during the first turn - provided that they dont run screaming at an enemy that they can see - Im looking at you ork deth coptas...
Immolator cost is NC
No Blessed Weapons at all.
Heavy Flamer is now double the cost [20 pts] of a MultiMelta [10 pts]...
Executioner NC, no cloak, same high cost of the Heavy flamer is across the board for bss,cs,ds and rs. All of the above except ds can take mm and hb...
Squads have to be purchased with the Sister superior, They have a base cost for 4 sister and a SSuperior with an option to purchase more sisters for x amount. THe exception is the BSS which come with 9 BS and 1 SS with an option to buy an additional 10 sisters. They cost the same as a CWH heavy flamer with the cost of the first 10 models being ten heavy flamers and a storm bolter in the CWH costs...
[In regards to the last sentence]Stupid veiled speech HF cost the same as the old Ordo hereticus Psychic power Hammer of the Witches [20 pts]. The squad itself cost 6 times that + 5 points [125pts].
Light of the Emperor is BSS only
