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Post by lordnurgle on Feb 23, 2012 21:46:38 GMT -5
i didnt notice the 1 FO chart thing either. puts me in another bind with deathwing. guess i'll drop 1 squad from side board and add a techmarine, predator and the cheapest(pointswise) FA choice i can paint in time. I got a metal speeder been sitting in a box for 10+years. I can see how people could be intimidated by the 17 page winter painting league thread. the sentence that contains that rule is in the first post right above a force organization chart that has 0-1 and 0-2 for FA/Elites/HS/HQ, so if you missed that line, i feel ya.
2 quick things 1) last year each tourney had its own thread. we are now talking about 3rd tourney of the year and this thread is getting unwieldy.
2) can the march tourney next year be an adpeticon 40k championship primer? the more I read about this tourney, the less effective practice this will be(either affecting my army or the quality of opposing armies. I know the boys got their team tourney practice last month, but there is a bunch of us that are playing in the championships. Heck I bet we could make it a sanctioned primer and pull in a big crowd. i understand painting league needs final tourney, just would like months shuffled. we have had a winning team from the area, but no winning single in a tourney there.
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Post by hyv3mynd on Feb 24, 2012 12:02:21 GMT -5
This is also where my friend's frustration was rooted. He is not in the WPL and has no reason to dig through that thread. If you go to the top of this thread, all you see is this: March- Side board (WPL) 60/40 1350 and two 500 point list In THIS thread (for readers who aren't in or interested in the WPL), the FO requirement wasn't mentioned until feb 8th (page 4) which is 4 weeks before the event. Since painting is such a huge factor, that can make or break some players, especially themed armies like deathwing, draigo wing, dante wing. I think at this point, several players will be throwing all their FO required units in one sideboard and never using it, or bringing 2 identical sideboards. The next question should be: If you are required to bring a techmarine, predator, and speeder just to make your list legal for this event, and put them in a sideboard you never intend to use, do you even need to buy, paint, and bring the models? Or will a "phantom" sideboard of units just to represent each FO suffice? It's a shame you would need to buy and paint 3 units for a deathwing army with no intent to ever use them, just to be tournament legal.
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Post by MajorSoB on Feb 24, 2012 14:23:49 GMT -5
You know Aaron I like you so i won't use the word hypocrite.
Yes it was wrong for Ben not to make the force org clearer and in a more timely manner. While the league was not perfect and I did my fair share of complaining about it I do think it was an overall success. There are some things that need changing and correcting next time around and I believe that will happen. Bn has asked for input so i am for giving him a chance to make improvements.
So let me get this straight you don't like that this coming tournament has a force org restriction / requirement. Hmmm lets all put on our thinking caps and come up with another tournament that required diversity and penalized people for not playing 40K their way. It's on the tip of my tongue, I can't quite remember the name... Yeah its the one where you got penalized for taking the same troops even if you didn't have another choice... Dammit what's that name? All I remember now is that you couldn't have been more for that one and like every other judge you ignored any dissenting opinions because your way was the best!
You see my friend the choice is this simple, either play the way the tournament is layer out or stay home. Yes, I am not 100% behind the style layer out and disagree with the fashion it was communicated but I have a choice, I can play or stay home. Its not like every tournament is like this and if it isn't a success I highly doubt it will be repeated next year. So please, Ben has made a choice, and believe it or not, it is fair to everyone, you can either play this way or not, no one ever said we all have to like it.
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Post by hyv3mynd on Feb 24, 2012 14:50:11 GMT -5
Doug, you're making a lot of assumptions and associating me with things that aren't true.
I never said that I dislike this format or disagree with the execution. MY dark eldar army was designed and built with 2 HQ, 3 elite, 3 troops, 3 FA, and 2 heavies from day 1. It is a list I've been drafting and revising for a year and I used the WPL as an excuse to pull the trigger. I never cared about comp issues because I knew I would have none.
My friend, Gerry (who I introduced to Jay and Joe at the last 2 events I attended) does not post or read these forums. in the last 2 months, he drafted a BA list, proxy tested it with me, purchased it and is working on assembling it. His list is compy with no dupes or special characters, yet without any fast attack units, will still not be legal as it stands for the tournament in two weeks.
I have no gripes with the tournament or format, only the communication which has been echoed by people not involved with the WPL. The FO requirements were NEVER mentioned in this thread's original post and not mentioned in THIS THREAD until pages 4 and 6. It effects me in no way and I have no problem with the requirements. I only with that they were mentioned earlier in this thread so that my friend would have known before he designed, purchased, and assembled his army.
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Post by sinistermind on Feb 24, 2012 15:29:53 GMT -5
My friend, Gerry (who I introduced to Jay and Joe at the last 2 events I attended) does not post or read these forums. in the last 2 months, he drafted a BA list, proxy tested it with me, purchased it and is working on assembling it. His list is compy with no dupes or special characters, yet without any fast attack units, will still not be legal as it stands for the tournament in two weeks. could he not just do what was mentioned previously and take a single sideboard and use the other for the "phantom" fast attack slot? as it sounds with 2 weeks left he will not have it all painted and is going to play mostly for fun i hope i have not misunderstood the requirements , but i was planning on taking a single 500pt sideboard, and i am using my WIP grey knights, although i have filled every force org slot with the addition of my single sideboard so thats irrelevant for me
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Post by hyv3mynd on Feb 24, 2012 15:39:48 GMT -5
Yeah, his army was never going to be finished by March. He just wanted to come out, play some games, and have some fun. He knew not to expect any prizes with an unpainted army at this event.
My question about the "phantom sideboard" was just that. If someone can design a sideboard they never intend to use (see what lordnurgle said about his deathwing list), then do they even need to bring the models? If he (lordnurgle) has a deathwing list ready for adepticon, but needs an elite, heavy, and fast unit to make it legal for this event, but intends to put all 3 in a sideboard he will not use, what's the purpose of buying, assembling, and painting at all?
It sounds like the FO requirements are mission based, which could be easily changed.
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Post by chaoscraig on Feb 24, 2012 21:36:06 GMT -5
could we possibly start doing new threads for each tournament? this thread is to unwieldy. maybe just get one last revision and thread to clarify how this month works and have it all in one spot? please ben please.
i also wanted to thank the people i played at the team tournament who made it a great expierience for my girlfriend who is now working feverishly on her dark eldar.
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Post by MajorSoB on Feb 25, 2012 3:15:24 GMT -5
You know the words compy really have no meaning. Filing one of each force org slot and no dupes is really not a good measure of an army's strength see some armies have very good choices in every slot while others do not. I can see why you and others might erroneously think this but it still does not make it a fact.
I didn't make any erroneous assumptions about anyone, I saw you complaining about the format and I addressed your complaints. I could care less about how balanced your army is or your friends, the topic being discussed is how the format and side board is being used in this tournament. As far as I understand your phantom friend who has no idea how to log on to a board and write for himself has an army he can play if he so desires. The Fast slot is both 0-1 in the main army and side boards so yes your friend's army is legal. Whether or not he can get it assembled and painted has no bearing, he is always free to play it however he likes he just will suffer a penalty for not being complete. This would only matter to someone who thinks winning is the goal. This may come as a shock but there are people who play in tournaments just to have great games, meet good people and have fun. Winning doesn't always need to be the goal especially where a new player is concerned. In my opinion his focus should be on learning this game, ways he might improve, but most importantly having fun with new people he is meeting.
Lastly, it was mentioned that Grey Knights fit in this tournament really nicely, wow that's a huge shock! They fit in a lot of tournaments very nicely and are a great reason that the whole diversity idea about judging "good comp" is utter BS.
Looking forward to this tourney, it should be fun.
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Post by nutter on Feb 25, 2012 11:27:22 GMT -5
Yes, we will move to thread specific event next month, i was supposed to do that this month but it never got done(like my necrons)
I was going to type something else but the thought has left my head Ill be at the store today for a bit (Mailfaux though)
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Post by lordnurgle on Feb 25, 2012 17:08:52 GMT -5
heres my plan. I already have a world eater crusader(HS), and an assault squad fully painted from my 2010 daboyz GT list. If I turn the deathwing command squad into an elite, i got that covered. I'll make a side board of the crusader and assault squad and another that has 2 more deathwing squads. And Ill try to get both sideboards at least 1 game
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Post by jay on Feb 26, 2012 20:11:15 GMT -5
Doug, you're making a lot of assumptions and associating me with things that aren't true. I never said that I dislike this format or disagree with the execution. MY dark eldar army was designed and built with 2 HQ, 3 elite, 3 troops, 3 FA, and 2 heavies from day 1. It is a list I've been drafting and revising for a year and I used the WPL as an excuse to pull the trigger. I never cared about comp issues because I knew I would have none. My friend, Gerry (who I introduced to Jay and Joe at the last 2 events I attended) does not post or read these forums. in the last 2 months, he drafted a BA list, proxy tested it with me, purchased it and is working on assembling it. His list is compy with no dupes or special characters, yet without any fast attack units, will still not be legal as it stands for the tournament in two weeks. I have no gripes with the tournament or format, only the communication which has been echoed by people not involved with the WPL. The FO requirements were NEVER mentioned in this thread's original post and not mentioned in THIS THREAD until pages 4 and 6. It effects me in no way and I have no problem with the requirements. I only with that they were mentioned earlier in this thread so that my friend would have known before he designed, purchased, and assembled his army. I have some marines and BA he wants to use them for the event. most of it is painted.
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Post by sinistermind on Mar 2, 2012 8:03:08 GMT -5
same start time as usual for march right? 9:30 signup 10:00 first round?
edit: and just to be clear, will there be a mission/round that allows the use of both sideboards for a total of 2350pts in a game? my current understanding is no but i see 2350 pts mentioned alot and i just want to make sure its jjust used in reference to all 3 lists.
i did end up altering my plans so ill have 2 500pt sideboards with all the models(no idea how much painting ill get done though)
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Post by nutter on Mar 2, 2012 19:37:32 GMT -5
Both side boards will never be used at the same time
March side board painting rubric
Was this army painted by someone else or is not your army 0 **** Or is more the half the army not painted? (only base coated, three dots of color 0 **** Basic Is this army fully painted? (Three colors more than the base coat? 1-2 Is this army fully based (1 color and flock)? 1-2 Does this army have a theme painting wise? 1-2 Is there general over attempt to do basic high lighting? 1-2 Advance Does this army use resin bases or advance basing technique 2-3 Does this army use more than three colors 2-3 Does the army's paint theme resonate with all the units 2-3 does this army use superior highlighting techniques 2-3 Goes this army using shading and blending techniques 2-3 Expert Does this player go above and beyond the table top standard of painting 4 Is this a top 3 army 1-2-3 is this the top army 4 Total **** Gets a zero total for painting
Smitty will be the T.O. and since this formatted like crap the places where you see dashes are possible points
Let me know if anyone see glaring issues, or just hates this (pretty sure i'll get my fill of that) but really, let me know this is my first painting rubric so if there somethings off let me know
it's 34 possible points missions are Primary/Secondary which at best nets your 20 per round, so if my maths right its about 36%of your total score
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Post by rotnak1271 on Mar 5, 2012 13:56:15 GMT -5
Can't help but notice that the posted rubric only details painting and absolutely zero points in the way of conversions and kitbashes.
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Post by bromento on Mar 5, 2012 14:50:29 GMT -5
Yeah... nice one Ben
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