Tau or Black Templar?

[pogysnacks]

A lot of rumors flying around on the web, it seems like on heresy the masses are leaning towards black template releasing first continuing w the latest Xenos-marine-xenos-marine release trend, but I've heard Gw isn't producing some of the tau models anymore, one of the guys at our local shop tried ordering some broadsides and wasn't able to due to a lack thereof. I would honestly much rather see tau, but It wouldn't be surprised to see another marine army released soon because pf the black template cult-like following and the fact that marine armies are cash cows for GW..the only thing on the heresy-online news and rumors section that is confirmed is Phil Kelly is going to do the BT codex, which is good, because id rather not have matt ward produce another Kaldor Draigo..any thoughts or insight?

[professor]

The main perpetrator of the BT/Tau rumors (Ghost21 on Warseer) admitted that he made up all of the rumors he mongered (or stole them from somewhere else).

The latest rumor I have heard is that it is Dark Angels that are next (Blood of Kittens) and Tau/BT are either late this year or next year. Given the box set for 6th is supposed to be DA/CSM and CSM is getting Chaos Legions shortly after 6th that means codex marines are probably the next in line.

In short, I do not either Tau or BT from what I have read appearing anytime soon.

[pogysnacks]

Great more cheesy marine armies to play against..another reason why fantasy is better atm, in the current edition the top 3 in major tournaments have been changing depending on matchups where as 40kin grey knights, IG, Space wolves always top...at least in fantasy there's more flavor and better internal balance with limits..40k has too many completely overpowered combinations that just wipe you..6th needs to come out w the same philosophy, hopefully some armies too that will alter the competitive scene

[hyv3mynd]

Feb 4, 2012 23:15:09 GMT -5 pogysnacks said:

Great more cheesy marine armies to play against..another reason why fantasy is better atm, in the current edition the top 3 in major tournaments have been changing depending on matchups where as 40kin grey knights, IG, Space wolves always top...at least in fantasy there's more flavor and better internal balance with limits..40k has too many completely overpowered combinations that just wipe you..6th needs to come out w the same philosophy, hopefully some armies too that will alter the competitive scene

IDK man, it depends on where you play and who you play with. Tyranid armies took best general and best overall at our invitational tournament two months ago. Two space wolf players and two grey knight players didn't even place.

Some armies have tougher matches against certain others, but all this "top tier" and "overpowered" chatter makes me giggle. Those who rely on the strength of their list above their skill as a general are usually the ones complaining. They think it's the list or codex that lost the game, not the decisions they made along the way.

[pogysnacks]

The scene around here tyranids do ok, but grey knight lists consist of henchmen deathcult assassins and asston of high str shooting, mech IG, njal stormcaller wolves..its the whole non comp power scene, ik back home is different just better sportsmanship..more fun oriented, less imperial guard armies with 9 chimeras and heavy shooting crushing you before you hit the halfway point..major tournament scene fantasy is more balanced and much more skilled oriented..some grey knight henchmen builds, and IG armies are point click and win regardless of skill and those are very very present down here..granted the point of the conversation was oriented around releases and my complaining aside id much rather see tau than another marine army

[pogysnacks]

in fantasy more armies can compete w more of a variety of builds, minus specific army rules and the 8 yr old wood elf army book, and its refreshing showing up to play a tournament of 18 people and seeing every army represented on the tabletop, none of the builds duplicate, and all competetive...more players less variety in 40k..its just dull, and yes i agree that better players will naturally get more out of an army, and i dont wanna come off as a troll, id rather just see more necron/dark eldar type armies that require talent to use right, rather than more space marine armies thatll will make me feel like im playing the same thing over and over and over...

[professor]

Are we talking about the same Fantasy game with Dwellers Below and Purple Sun (or whatever it is called?).

Last I saw fantasy was hugely dependent on enormous magical swings. A pair of 6's to cast with Irresistable Force on a critical spell can just decimate an opponent...which may account for the wide variety of armies I guess.

I do not think 40k is that poorly balanced, there are some weaker codices but Black Templar (for example) won Da Boyz GT.

Bad news on the Tyranid winner of the Storm the Kastle GT apparently played with a list that was over by 300 points according to Italiaplayer from Frontline Gaming and Dakka.

[pogysnacks]

Purple sun, dreaded 13th spell, okrams mindrazor..etc..where a majority of the armies can use powerhouse spells and irresistible force that can destroy your wizard and unit in the process...magic is trong but the winds of magic balances that but granting your opponent sufficient despel dice, and offers a decent amount of magic defense...armies cant get more than 12 powerdice and an army like dwarves wins regularly with an outdated army book and has no access to magic..power creep in 40k unbalances the codicies, and in terms of power you cant use the daboyz gt where the tournament structure discourages power lists..how about the other non comped tournaments like nova and battle for salvation? The winning list from battle for salvation where a henchmen list spit out 30 shots per turn that were str 6-8 and had enough death cult assassins to table any assault army..the point is some codices are far stronger than the rest with undercosted spammable contents that other books stand little chance against..this isnt me crying out cheese at every event i play in, its gratifying to defeat armies like imperial guard with 9 chimeras when im running orks, its just that GW has done a better job at fantasy, powerhouse, broken characters are banned in the competetive scene around here i.e. Teclis, Fateweaver, Kroak..etc Personally Daboyz run tournaments are more balanced and more fun with competition in mind but better spirited and more focused on the hobby which i miss..i was there when courtney was winning with the old necron book with units no one would think of taking, skill trumps someone relying on their rules to win (insert chumbalya)..but in the current state of things dark eldar and necrons are way more balanced than the other recent marine updates can handily beat the other powerlists w a variety of builds, and maybe tau being released in the same manner would shift the power a little bit and give the scene more flavor

[fishboy]

Pogy,
I have played all over this country, including your area, and can tell you that most areas are very different. I agree that right now GK seem to be the top tier but there are match ups that hose them as well. I agree with hive that generalship is still very important but I also agree with you that there is not a lot of balance in the game. However 40K is more about the rock-paper-scissors concept right now.

[pogysnacks]

i will not object and i will agree, my opinion is bias because im more of a fan of fantasy atm with the presence of large units and the larger variety of armies i play against..im sick of playing what feels like the same army repeatedly, and i guess im just hoping the 40k rules update will help alleviate that issue