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Post by fishboy on May 12, 2012 20:32:44 GMT -5
Sorry to say it but this was one of the worst run events I have been to in a while. After getting PWND by power lists I get to play second round agains the same army that just tabled me....
So a winner gets to play a looser from the round they just played?!?!? It would have been much better to either have 2 winners or two losers on the 1-1 table. I debated showing up for this event and regret not staying home.
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Post by crimthaan on May 12, 2012 21:59:08 GMT -5
I had a lot of fun guys, good overall and congrats to the winners. It sucks not having enough people show up for all tables to be full but with a day like it was you can't blame people for not showing.
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Post by nutter on May 12, 2012 23:06:26 GMT -5
First, congrats to Aaron and Courtney on wining, and also to Erich and Kevin for qualifying for December, Also thank you to those who brought table's and for Smitty for running it. And sorry for the math mix up at the end.
Joe, I'm Sorry that you had a bad outing, and your right this format didn't work with only 10 people. So going forward, a couple of things will change, One, when we do team events again, where going to have to sell blocks of 2 teams out (4 Players), a out of balanced turnout is unfair to the players and equally unfair to the judges who now not only has to run, but also play the event, Secondly, I think it'll be best o keep team events to the winter months so in cases like today where we were competing with the weather for Local festivals, Holidays, Concerts, and and other social event that outweighs being inside playing 40k.
Now as for what happen, its right in the title, Random teams, We paired and winner and a loser for a team, Smitty did the pairs right and since there was only 10 people, Yours and Courtney's short straw where pulled, same thing happened first round with Andy and Duncan. If that paring bothered you so much say something next time, I know would have switched no problem, I can't say for sure but I think Andy and Erich probably would have also (played with the same people all three games)
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Post by fishboy on May 13, 2012 7:03:20 GMT -5
Ben at no point in any tournament should the lowest score play the highest score. Especially when they just played that same game and it was a route. A TO should recognize that and as a player I should not have to step up and say that it was not fair. I think it was pretty apparent myself and my teamate did not enjoy round one. Basically you gave Courtney 2 easy wins and me a miserable day. Originally we were not paired up as singles but suddenly it changed after the round announcements. It would have been better to have 2 winners play single and the paired round have 2 losers and a winner and looser on teams. Even the inverse of that would have been better. All I can say is one broken arse Grey Knight player at the event and I got to play him twice....nice.
The event is a neat idea and I like the idea of selling out blocks of 2 to make sure we have match ups. I would also advise having a ringer with 2 1K armies to play (not just 2k but armies that match the rules) so you dont have a singles match going on in a team tourny.
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Post by Icemyn on May 13, 2012 7:37:11 GMT -5
I'm not normally one to jump in to defend Grey Knights ever, I am of the camp that they are pretty OP. That being said Courtney's list was in no way overpowered for a GK list. If anything it was underpowered. Sure he had a PsyDread and an inquisitor with grenades, but what else could he have taken? I really would like to see what you would think would have been more "fair" for a list out of GK given the format. Yes it sucks that you had to play CC twice in a row after getting crushed Round 1. We had the same 4 players for round 1 and round 2 just different teams and I still enjoyed both games and won neither (Thanks to Ben's inability to measure objectives ). I still played round 3 and had a great game with CC Kevin and Aaron. Keep in mind myself/Aaron soundly routed CC/Kevin and everyone at that table had a great time. Its not up to a TO to ensure everyone has fun especially when everyone has a different idea of what defines fun for them. Sure, things could have been run better, pairings could have been better. At the end of the day we got to push around little dudes and play a game I assume we enjoy. Winning should be important, not the only focus. -Dean- PS: I would have gladly taken your spot 1v1 against CC and probably gotten my ass handed to me.
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Post by professor on May 13, 2012 8:35:39 GMT -5
Thanks for setting this up Ben and smitty, it was a ton of fun. I also faced writhing world scape in all three games and have decided it is the most annoying power since warpquake
Amity we need to get you a calculator
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Post by fishboy on May 13, 2012 14:10:17 GMT -5
5 termies I6 with force weapons....Inquisitor with all the nades in a unit maxed for shooting and combat, 5 purifiers that wiped out 28 orks in one round of combat, psy dread, 8 GK with psy cannons.... Not overpowered at all Ice....
Its a well built list no doubt and played by a good player but to get it twice in a row between two guys that really dont get along but try to put a happy face on it....come on man. I had one point and he had 17 I think....and we just played....
I did not complain to the TO because when match ups were announced I did not realize we were one on one until I was at the table and pulling out our armies.
How many events have you run Ice? It is somewhat of the responsibilty of the TO to encourage a good time. While you cant guarantee it, it should still be in the fore front of your mind. I fell into that trap again where I thought people were bringing odd and fun stuff so I stuck with fluff and tried to fill all the FO slots. I thought that was the spirit of the event. Fooled again.....For me Ice it is not all about the win but why dont you ask my first round partner how he felt.
Sorry if this is sour grapes but it really did burn me up. I have said my piece so this will be my final post on the event.
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Post by hyv3mynd on May 13, 2012 15:28:09 GMT -5
The event was advertised as a "random partner" team event right? How random is it if the TO shuffles names and does pairings, then subjectively changes them? Everyone had to play the same opponent twice during the day. That's a side effect of low attendance. You may not like playing the same opponent twice, but if the TO makes the change, he invalidates the format and potentially pisses everyone off.
Regarding lists, the event banned special characters, spammed elites, fast, and heavies, and required 4 of the 5 force orgs. That's forced comp of the strictest kind so idk what the problem was there. Everyone had the same requirements.
As for the first game, you were up against 2 armies that love assault and went full reserve. You had half your armies under 12" from out table edge when reserves started arriving giving us any and all assaults we wanted. The outcome of the game had everything to do with that decision and not a broken list or overpowered codex.
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Post by professor on May 13, 2012 22:09:37 GMT -5
Just some thoughts on the tournament setup and potential improvements for next time.
Random teams really only applied to the first game - afterward it was pseudo random. This is because pairings were based on the previous round score.
In the future, it should probably be the two who finished in the middle (provided they did not fight 1 on 1) paired against one another if a single player game is necessary. Alternatively, a ringer to play the team with a list using the same construction rules as the tournament.
I think a bit more shuffling would also be good. I like Kevin, Dean and Ben, but swapping in another pair would have been great - possibly just switch partners with another winning team?
I do agree that the top/bottom players should not be paired against one another. Army list/composition/et cetera independent of this.
Signing up in blocks of two is another idea, the problem with team events is it really reduces the total number of games. I agree with Ben's assessment overall, it is also hard sometimes to get out on Mother's day weekend - one day is shot and in the spring there are finals/cleaning/et cetera going on.
It sucks you did not enjoy playing Joe, I had a glance and saw you brought Grotesques in your DE army which always lends itself to interesting games.
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Post by Icemyn on May 14, 2012 8:21:49 GMT -5
5 termies I6 with force weapons....Inquisitor with all the nades in a unit maxed for shooting and combat, 5 purifiers that wiped out 28 orks in one round of combat, psy dread, 8 GK with psy cannons.... Not overpowered at all Ice.... I agree that his list was not OP at all. He had 2 Psycannons in his list not 8. One with the Terms and one with the Strikes. He had 9-10 Purifiers and they kill orks, its what they do, doesn't make them OP. The Inquisitor when we played was with the Henchmen who had maybe three guns total at BS3, unsure of how that is maxed for shooting. I get that you are upset about the way the tournament turned out and I agree that it could have definitely been run better and no you shouldn't have been paired against CC round 2. I don't feel that your loses had anything to do with CC bringing a dirty GK list. Does his list straight up crush grotesques and open-topped AV11 vehicles? Sure, but I cant think of a semi-competitive GK list that doesn't.
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Post by pogysnacks on May 14, 2012 11:00:05 GMT -5
Sounds like people still think that grey knights are overpowered...well no they just chew through almost everything in assault, I had an Ork player complain a list of 50khorne berzerkers was cheesy at Ard boyz a few years ago because I out assaulted his "almighty green tide"... well Orks are fantastic but against grey knights find a way to fight on favorable terms..don't allow them to pick and choose assaults, either way Orks aren't that hot against Grey Knights...also don't blame TO's for this if the games were random..hell you could've ended up w more participants and still ended up against the same player hell 3she times..hence the whole random drawing... Sounds like CC brought a little bit of everything like he usually does with every army he plays, he's just a phenomenal player w a powerful army...if Grey Knights are so impossible collect $900 and build a mech guard list that will blow them off the table.. I honestly wish the TO's down here were half as good at organizing and running tournaments as they are up there..just a bad day for you, don't blame the TO's for a format that was run as advertised
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