Sunday afternoon, 9/23

[MajorSoB]

Ron said it best. While I cannot fault anyone for taking the time to bring their own terrain to an event there need to be some variety in it. Past two tournaments I got screwed playing on a crappy table which absolutely affected the outcome. I have been having fun at the event and trying to keep a positive spin on it but the terrain needs work. that is what I was saying.

-Crisis Averted-

[grubnards]

Wait... what just happened there?

[grubnards]

Horst, you up for making the trek over to Boldos tomorrow? We can meet at MG and then i can drive over to boldos.

Let me know if you are interested.

[Horst]

sure. I'll meet you at boldos. What time?

[grubnards]

Doug said he's got a game around noon so i figured i'd show up around then as well. Get in a game against you and then another with someone else. I'll bring squishy eldar just for you!

[Smitty]

Well that makes things easier for me not having to bring my terrain every month since its just spammed crap.

[pogysnacks]

i dont think he meant that the terrain itself was horrible, i think he was referring to the setup, as in wanting different terrain pieces on the tables..
so please we know doug speaks blatently and too the point..no more butthurt people..
Themed terrain there looks awesome, great tables all of the time, maybe switching up the terrain pieces wouldnt be so bad?

[hyv3mynd]

This really needs its own thread (and hidden agenda poll).

Smitty brings his personal terrain for the events and I've brought between 2-4 tables to each event I've attended over the past 2 years.

However, I think the amount of others bringing terrain or helping to set up is decreasing. I used to make it by 9am before I had the baby. This month I was there at 9:30 and Smitty was the only one there setting up by himself. I know the "all smokestack" table was meant for the gt where each table would have 2 smoke stacks as BLOS terrain. I think the reason they all ended up on one table is we were rushed and someone grabbed the tub not knowing they weren't intended for more than 2-3 pieces per table.

The other thing is the new "player set" terrain system in 6th ed is hella brutal on my pieces. My crystal table was so damaged this month it'll take 3 days to repair it from a 1 day event.

Maybe the people who have a problem with the terrain can contribute some of their own "guanteed more diverse" terrain sets.

[pogysnacks]

ill play devils advocate and agree with the critics bring their own, usually we set around 12 tables for the tournaments we run, and just generally have an ass ton of themed terrain set ups, but this same complaint we just tried switching things up a little bit...i'll upload a picture of one of the realm of battle game boards we did..literally a little bit of everything

[MajorSoB]

OK I will attempt to keep this civil. If you took note of my tone and the fact that I actually acknowledged and complimented the people that brought their own terrain you might be able to infer that I was not trying to slam anyone. I thought I was much cleared when I am taking a shot at someone.

Here goes....First off Smitty do what you like but as in case you haven't taken note I have complimented you on the way you have run the 6th edition tournaments. There have been some things that have needed clarification and work, and I believe I have tried to address them with you in a positive way. If you noticed I have also told you that I have had fun. But if you are hell bent on hearing me biatch, well then here it goes...

1) That pipe board sucks balls. It is good terrain but all the same and should be mixed in with some other types. I am not the only person who does not like it, and I got stuck on that table the past two tourneys.

2) I am calling Bullcrap on you Aaron. Please tell me how your precious terrain has been damaged? This is the first I or anyone else have heard of this. I played on the crystal board and we were very careful when we placed the terrain. Please note it is styrofoam terrain as well and generally that type of terrain is covered with a thick layer of glue of gesso before painting to help harden it as well. I appreciate the time that you have put into your terrain but really that board doesn't offer a ton of variety either. And if you are trying to say that "player set" terrain is damaging your crap as another way to get fixed terrain like all the tournament clones have in their events, then you are just as crazy as they are. Once again I am interested in playing 40K by the rule book, not 40K, the Bestest and Goodest Edited Tournament Edition. I want to play by all the rules not the ones that only you like, which means if I buy a Fortress of Redemption and want to play it because it is a legal piece as defined by the main rule book who are you to tell me that I cannot? I'll tell you what, how about we start going through every codex and we can pick and choose what is legal. Let's see....no more Storm Ravens, no more Tyranid monstrous (cause they might damage terrain), no more level 3 or more psykers. etc. If you want to be a NOVA and Adepticon clone then go play there, leave me and the other people locally who are enjoying the game that was written by GW in the main rule book the hell alone.

3) I have brought my terrain and told it wasn't needed. If you want I will pledge at least two board at each monthly tourney as well but if I bring it I want it used. Again, I am happy to help.

4) Terrain in general. I think the last time that the store terrain had a good makeover and repair I was the one who sat down on a saturday afternoon and pieced it together. I am more than willing to do this again. If you want to start another thread how about starting a sign up for building and repairing store? (Cue the crickets...) I already know what the turn out will be, and since I will be there it gives me every right to criticize.

[pogysnacks]

i remember that day that was when pete was still there..unless youve refurbished terrain since they moved the store..i believe a lot of the terrain that Ed bought was from our groups back in the day...around when it was Crazy Igor's?...i was like 7 kicking old dudes asses at fantasy and blood bowl..not much has changed

[hyv3mynd]

Whoa there tiger, that's quite the rant against me yet again. IDK what your problem is man. I've never gone to Adepticon or NOVA. I have no more say in out local formats than anyone. In fact, you've influenced it more than anyone this year with your rants. We played the first 2 events in 6th ed pure RAW and comp free. This month, despite Smitty wanting to use TO set terrain (you know, cuz we did it your way the past 2 months), you cleared the board and did your own thing.

I'm not going to argue terrain with you. If you want to criticize the way I built it and call the damage my fault, that's fine with me. Leaving it home significantly reduces my time commitment. If someone asks where it is, I'll direct them to you so you can tell them why we're better off without it.

Keep preaching your "it's legal, it's RAW" man.

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/475561.page

Looks like your list in this batrep was illegal and you used Grand Strategy on an illegal unit (it's on pg22 for ya). Guess you better brush up on your RAW buddy. Better yet, if you can't write a legal list, play by the rules of your codex, or respect the TO's monthly format, maybe take a break for a while.

I mean that in the nicest way possible ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D - ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Peace, love, and sorry about your thread Kevin! To the gladiator pit!

[MajorSoB]

Sept 23, 2012 21:47:23 GMT -5 @hyv3mynd said:

This month, despite Smitty wanting to use TO set terrain (you know, cuz we did it your way the past 2 months), you cleared the board and did your own thing.

Really? Where was this announcement made? If I missed that then you should have corrected me. You never have seemed to have a problem before.

Sept 23, 2012 21:47:23 GMT -5 @hyv3mynd said:

I'm not going to argue terrain with you.

Then why did you start?

Sept 23, 2012 21:47:23 GMT -5 @hyv3mynd said:

Looks like your list in this batrep was illegal and you used Grand Strategy on an illegal unit (it's on pg22 for ya). Guess you better brush up on your RAW buddy. Better yet, if you can't write a legal list, play by the rules of your codex, or respect the TO's monthly format, maybe take a break for a while.

Yes, I saw that I openly admitted my mistake to many of the regular players. I had used Battlescribe to write my list. According to it my list was legal but I should have also double checked it with my codex. I did misplay grand strategy game one (until I was corrected). I had just painted these new models ( in a non painting tourney too) and was not that familiar with my rules yet. There was no criminal intent, mens rea ( look that one up), and it was a non factor in the tournament but had it been I would have gladly relinquished any winnings that I had and made amends. It's called honor and integrity.

So are you volunteering to help refurbish some of the store terrain? Yeah, I thought not. It always seems like there is some reason you can't be there to help, but that's OK something would probably go wrong for you and then you would complain about it for the next few months until you got your way.

Any other topics that you would like to discuss, please by all means feel free to post them as well.

Lastly...

Good job so far Smitty!!! ( See Aaron, that is known as a compliment!)

[hyv3mynd]

Glad you have honor and integrity Doug. Good thing you told us it's there or we may have missed it.

I'm sad to get through the wall of text with no smiley's.

And yes, I'll gladly refurbish the store's terrain if I can take blocks of it home for 4 weeks at a time. I personally offered to make Travis a set (for free) with all the extra material I have, but he hasn't taken me up on it yet.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Iron Warrior]

Well that makes things easier for me not having to bring my terrain every month since its just spammed crap.

No one said that, your terrain is apprcieated. Please read the other parts of the post where that was mentioned. Not all of it was negative you just took those parts out and concetrated upon it. Crap was never used either. Take a step back. As I said it was not a slight (Atleast it wasnt ment so by me) to anyone that brings thier terrain own terrain.

The idea of player brought terrain is a great idea! I would highly encouraged it in fact. But be sure there will be pieces of terrain that you dont see used showing up, like leathal terrain, buildings, water features ect... I would purposely encourage others to make these.

I think it would be interesting if there was an average amount of terrain per table that was 4/5/6+ saves, some that blocked los, some that granted hulled down, some that only gave saves to infantry, some that was area.

For example (not based on anything) You will have (if you play by the book) 6-18 pieces of terrain on a given table. Average being 12. Say out of that 12, 2 are 4+ cover, 2 are 5+ cover, 2 are hills, 2 are area terrain, 2 are blocking LoS, and two are a combination of the above. Then you have choice peices as extras 2 water features, a building and craters/rubble. Whatever wierd wacky pieces you want in your collections. That will pretty much garuntee you a spread of terrain to use. Just a thought on diversity. Take it or leave it. I thought it was neat. You can go through and theme it as well per your taste in worlds.

Again let me reiterate, we (I?) apprieciate those that bring thier own terrain and it was not a slight to anyone that does so. Terrain that gets used by many people will be damaged that is a fact and will need repair. Thats the risk you run when bringing it. Accidents happen, models get dropped, terrain pieces get bumped. No one malicsiouly destroys terrain pieces (unless you're Doug) and I think we all strive to respect the terrain we play with.

Aaron there really was no reason for you to call out Doug on that error in his list. That was you taking a jab and trolling. Doug realized his mistake after the fact, apoligized for it and now is aware of it. It wasn't done on purpose or to give him an edge on anyone. I will vouch for that. In fact it mattered little in his games that day anyways. Mistakes happen and he is becoming senile in his old age anyways, so cut the old man some slack.

Doug...troll much? Try to keep it on topic?

As for you two butting heads...whatever, I realize you two dont like each other and nothing we say will end that. So have at it, just keep it on topic and civil, Terrain and its diversity. Perhaps something contructive will come of it? (Not holding my breath).

Wait, this is already off topic as 9/23 is gone! Go start another thread somewhere else.