Tournament Suggestions

[VenoMinoN]

Looking for some friendly feedback on a few questions to see what improvements we can keep making to our monthly tournaments. If you get the time answer these questions. There are no wrong answers even if you don't like what the person above you said., so Please don't critique anyone else who answers just tell us what you think.

1 - Where do you find your information about the Warhammer tournaments at Millennium?
(Facebook, website, forum posts, in store flyers, in store calendar, or other?)
2 - Last month we tried out some new Comp Scoring, Do you guys have any feedback on the sports/comp scoring that could help us out? Did you like last month's comp scores? Right now we mostly lump comp in as a tie in to sportsmanship, so if you are really friendly, it negates that your list might be a somewhat nasty.
3 - Would you guys rather see a painting rubric that is definitive but can be gamed out, or one that is abstract and judged which will be more beneficial to creativity but requires human input.
4 - Did you participate in the lock in event? If so, what did you like and dislike? If not, was there something that could be done to convince you to try one? (even if it means earlier time or different day)
5 - Would you guys like to see more miniature tournaments or leagues for different games like Malifaux, Fantasy, X-Wing, even the new Kings of Wrath. If so what time and day would you like those.


Thanks ahead of time for everyone who answers these questions.
VenoM

[bfosburg]

1 I use alot of different sources but I generally check this forum or the Grand Strategy first and foremost.


2 Comp is very difficult to both judge and be judged on. I had no issues with the way it was handled last night but then I tend to be an opponent people enjoy.

3 - Would you guys rather see a painting rubric that is definitive but can be gamed out, or one that is abstract and judged which will be more beneficial to creativity but requires human input. Another tough question to give feedback on, I think a rubric will remove any thoughts there is a bias given, not saying there is but some people often think otherwise, however with a rubric once people hit the thresholds they may just stop and then we have finished models that may not be at their peak potential, why not shift them around depending on the tourney format. Can't go wrong with both right?

4 I did not participate.

5 Being from Erie I cannot really participate in the league ideas but tourneys for other games would be a good idea, we have a very diverse gaming group down here and I know some would love to travel up to get xwing games and now that Malifaux is taking off possibly that too.

Overall the tourney experience in Rochester is top notch and we have always enjoyed making our way up there and participating with you guys and look forward to many more.

Bryan

[MajorSoB]

1. This site, but would check facebook more often if there were more details there.

2. Wasn't involved last month, I had to work. As for comp, I'm interested in tournaments that vary meaning one month you could have no comp, another could be no allies, maybe another could be a heavily restricted force org like 0-1 flyers, 0-1 monstrous creatures, etc. I favor restricted comp as opposed to a comp matrix because they are often bias and are usually gamed.

3. Painting guideline are preferable. You could add a few bonus points for players favorite and a few discretionary judge points but the majority should be something clearly defined without ambiguity. That being said there should also be some event with no painting to encourage some of the new players who do not have painted armies.

4. No lock in either. I worked. Summers are difficult to count on attending any events but from what I heard the lock in was enjoyable. What I did not like was that you had to commit weeks in advance due to the format and I could not. Like I said I heard it was fun from the few who attended.

5. More tournaments and events? Sure as long as they are well organized with clear rules and run by people who care about the event and the player base as a whole. Something that focuses on fun and the community as a whole rather than prepping for some big national event that I could care less about. Focus on the local players who buy things at your store.

Thanks for asking Venom!

[pogysnacks]

Venom, i havnt been in rochester for awhile but i can add in some suggestions based on what ive seen and played against..

In a comped environment its rather easy to game a rubric, and even in the european scene for 40k, theyve pretty much abandoned comp. In order to avoid incredibly powerful lists like the O'vesa star limit specific unit combinations.
For instance, O'vesa lists consist of 4 riptides with O'vesa joining an allied chip commander and Riptide with Hvy burst and drones to make a super unit that most armies dont have a prayer of handling. Fix it by removing the buff commander from lists containing O'vesa, limit the amount of Wave Serpents eldar can take etc
Fair limitations can avoid a lot of the bias that comp rubrics can promote, by utilizing national reults to see whats really wrecking armies, to avoid anyone locally copying uber lists and promote more diversity. Although, in the end, you cant prevent "gaming" a system completely, you can tone down combos at the very least.

What we've done down here at The Hobbit in NC is change points, limit allies, and add more terrain to tables, and there really arent any complaints, with all of the codices making a decent showing.

Just two cents, hopefully ill be able to get some leave and play in an RTT at Millenium sometiem before the years over.