Marine roster of doom.

[Norton]

Ok with the failure of the templars i'm thinking about going back to the raven guard with the marines. Here's a list i've been toying with. Good? Bad? Or should i just stick with playing chaos and reminicing about the glory days of the templars that used to be.


Unnamed2000 Pts - Raven Guard Army

1 Kayvaan Shrike (HQ) @ 430 Pts
Infilitrate Skill
#Jump Pack [0]
#The Raven's Talons [0]

5 Shrike's Wing @ [255] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Jump Packs; Infilitrate Skill

1 Venerable Dreadnought (Elites) @ 125 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Dread. CC Weapon;Storm Bolter; Assault Cannon

5 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 198 Pts
Bolter (x2); Lascannon (x1); Plasma Gun (x1)

1 Razorback APC @ [98] Pts
Twin Lascannon
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

5 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 168 Pts
Bolter (x2); Heavy Bolter (x1); Plasma Gun (x1)

1 Razorback APC @ [78] Pts
Twin Heavy Bolters
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

4 Scout Squad (Troops) @ 90 Pts
Sniper Rifle (x4); Heavy Bolter (x1); Infilitrate Skill

7 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 200 Pts
Bolter (x6); Meltagun (x1)

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [55] Pts
Power Fist (x1); Bolter-Meltagun
1 Drop Pod @ [30] Pts

7 Assault Squad (Elites) @ 240 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x5); Plasma P. & CC Wep. (x2);
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [55] Pts
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist

2 LS Tornado #1 @ [160] Pts
Assault Cannon; Heavy Bolter

7 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 200 Pts
Bolter (x3); Missile Launcher (x4)


7 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 180 Pts
Bolter (x3); Heavy Bolter (x4)


0 Chapter Traits @ 0 Pts
#Blessed be the Warriors [0]
#No Mercy, No Respite [0]

0 Major Disadvantages @ 0 Pts
#Flesh Over Steel [0]

Models in Army: 59


Total Army Cost: 1991

[dragons3]

I'VE NEVER BEEN HAPPY PLAYING A SINGLE DROP POD, IT EITHER COMES IN LATE OR NEEDS MORE ASSISTANCE WHEN DEPLOYED.
IF DROP PODS YOU NEED PLAY 2 OR 3 AND RE-RE BALANCE YOUR ARMY. IF YOU CHANGE ONE DEVASTATOR SQUAD, (200 points) TO: 1 ANNIHILATOR (120 points) with HEAVY BOLTER SPONSE OPTION (10 points), SMOKE LAUNCHERS (3 points) AND EXTRA ARMOR (5 points), THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH "62 POINTS" TO PAY FOR THE 2 EXTRA DROP PODS & YOU NOW HAVE 11 POINTS EXTRA FOR UP-GRADES. SPLIT THE TORNADO'S INTO 2 SQUADS, IF THE SLOTS OPEN. WITH THE SPEED OF THIS ARMY, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED SCOUTS, MAY BE INVEST THESE POINTS FOR A DROP POD SQUAD.

"JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT" DROP PODS ARE YOUR DAEMONS IN THIS ARMY, AS LISTED THIS ARMY MAY BE TO SLOW FOR YOUR STYLE OF PLAY, TRY BOTH ("DRAGONS READY").

P.S. YOU CAN USE MY HOME MADE DROP PODS IF YOU LIKE!

CIAO!

[Brinan The Barbarian]

Extra armor on the ven dreddy

[johnboo]

A couple Helblaster volley guns would help this list alot!

;D

[Hagbard The Mighty]

What? No Lighting Claws?

[Iron Warrior]

Needs more Assualt Cannons possibly a Monolith or 2.

[MajorSoB]

I still like the look of the Templars, but as you explained, they really suck, no vet sergents, expensive, etc. I still think a multiple land raider force with the "special" armor upgrade might be fun, but I see your point, they ain't what they were.

As for your list, I do think Shrike is a badass, and I think he could be fun. ( Oh Dragon, he is a special character so I guess you will never play him....) I am not convinced of the affectiveness of razorbacks, but play them and convince me they're good. I might drop the scout squad, downgrade the razorbacks to rhinos and use the points toward a predator. Drop pods also are nice, but go all or nothing there. And lastly Brian is correct (amazingly), extra armor and smoke on a dready doesn't suck at all.

[thatguyjames]

Looking at this for the second time, I'm seeing a huge amount similarity between this roster and my standard ultramarine one. So right off the bat I can say that you've got a pretty solid core.

I think the lightning claws comment is actually pretty relevant. With the exception of Shrike and his wing, nothing here screams Raven Guard. I think taking the lightning claws on vet sergeants is a good idea thematically. Also, I think having a third jump squad would help to push the mobility up while bring more emphasis on the Raven Guard.

I think you can tweak the list to be all sorts of killer, I just wonder how it's going to be different from my army, or Tommy's, or Mike's, or Eric's. If making an asswhupping army is your goal, you are well on your way. I just hope at the end you can still show it to someone and they'll say "Raven Guard", not "Marines".

[Iron Dragon]

more assault marines

drop the dreadnought...

in the immortal words of O'Hara... "nothing screams fast and stealthy like a huge 20 ton dreadnought stomping around"

and don't you get the elite assault suads in this army? assault squads with furious charge do not suck at all...

i hate the under strenght squads on principle, but it does sort of fit shrike's wing a bit.

upgrade the second razorback with twin lascannon