Tomb spyder vs Pariah

[joe]

OK boyz, what would you take seeing as i need some close combat.

3 tomb spyders, which equals 1 heavy support.

or

5 pariahs

Both get no wbb save, but have different abilities to suit some needs.

Also, spyders are heavy and pariahs are elite.

Any info needed on them let me know, like stats and special rules.

[Brinan The Barbarian]

spiders.
more wounds
higher toughness
better save
higher strength
higher toughness
extends WBB radius
more attacks (a model)
independant units
nuff said

and if you need close combat, use wraiths and scarabs

[Catachan Colonel]

5 pariahs

Longer range gun. (or simply have a gun)
have an effect in the game from turn 1 on.
lower your opponents leadership. (Or do you not want them to break and run?)
they have gause weapons with a great ap

not monstrous creatures, so cant be automatically picked out.

dont even give invulnerable saves in HTH. (useful now that termies are more popular)

Dont use up slots better spent on heavy destroyers.

(its the same save actually)

[joe]

the problems i see with both are...

Spyders, while high str, tough and can create tomb swarms, lack a effective ws which is 2 btw and will most likely be getting hit on 3s and needing 4's and 5's to hit. Also, the tomb swarms arent allowed to take the shots from guns since the tomb spyder is a monstrous creaute if im not mistaken.

Pariahs are basically necron lords with less attacks and a gauss blaster and no wbb. While there leadership ability is nice and shooting, they will most likely be targeted first because they dont have wbb, are expensive, and lack a high init to attack quickly leading to attacking last.

Also, all my fast attack slots are filled since i see wraiths lacking cc abilities for 41 points. Swarms are free when you get tomb spyders too

My heavy support is already filled if i take the tomb spyders allowing me to use them as scouts if i set down first to keep opponents either 18 or 24 inches away for setting up purposes. Also, i can set down the tomb spyders as separate units but much all be placed down as a heavy support choice.

Pariahs would come in later during elite drops but i would have to keep them behind cover most of the time and would need the charge to be effective in close combat for the extra attacks. While there ignore all saves is nice because of the warscythe, the will mostly likely be getting hit first then attacking last.

Tough choice but im leaning more towards spiders cause i have the models and there cheap effective units. 55 monstrous creature with swarm creation vs 36 point decent fighter with some cool abilities.

[Brinan The Barbarian]

Scarabs with spiders are horrible. It makes the majority toughness 3, and majority save 5+!! This makes bolters ALWAYS wound on 3+!! Horrible!!

As for wraiths, I play 6 of them. They are incredible. 3 attacks, Strenght 6, In. 6, Jetbikes. Lets compare this to an assault marine. 1 wraith = 1 and part of an assault marine. wraiths strength, initiative, save, # of attacks, speed, and ledership is better, and they get back up! Believe me, they ARE worth their points!

[Catachan Colonel]

I hate to agree with brian
(boy do i hate it)

but he is right on both accounts, wraiths are great in HTH
if you think they are not i ask what other than power weapons do you want in an assault troop that they dont have?

and Spiders making swarms is very bad.

it reduces the tougness to 3 like he said (but it does not change their save) just you take about half the hits on a reduced tougness spider.

[Iron Dragon]

i'd go with the spiders myself. unless you need them to go character hunting, there isn't much the pariahs can do that the spiders don't do better. spiders are also infinitely better against vehicles, and help your wbb's on troops.

[dragons3]

Welcome Joe, If you go to page 3 of this category, you'll find a thread called: STUPID MONOLITH QUESTIONS.

This was a Necron battle royal between some members of this website and was stop by our administrator, (due to length).

The discussion involves Monoliths, Scarbs, Parriahs & Tomb Spiders.

CAUTION: PREPARE YOURSELF FOR A EMULOUS INANE DEBATE BETWEEN "DABOYZ" WEBSITE MEMBERS AND OF COURSE "THE DRAGON".

P.S. BE CAREFUL IT'S NOT HARD TO RE-OPEN OLD WOUNDS HERE! ;D ;D ;D

HAVE FUN, CIAO!

[Norton]

I read your question and I pondered for some time and then I got down on my knee's (at work, in the middle of a staff meeting no less) and asked The Lord (tm) "Lordy-Lord-guy-of-great-awesomeness, what unit should my brother in divinity play in his necron list so that he might smite his heathen opponents with Your (tm) fury?" and the lord spoketh to me. His voice being like recieving a slow sheet lightning enema while getting a blowjob by a 14 year old vietnamese girl while your feet soak in an ever cooling vat of caramel flavored frozen yogurt (currently room temp). He (tm) decried "Play the pariah's for they are in My (tm) image and I think they are pretty models"

[Brinan The Barbarian]

haha!

[Iron Warrior]

AMEN BROTHER!

Can I get a Haleluha!?

[MajorSoB]

...you lost me on the caramel flavored yogurt.

[shaun]

Just for the record, I'm not sure Joe would understand the reference to "sex". He may not have reached that "level" in his adult life to realize that girls can be good. ;D

Anyway, I'm a fan of the spyders but why not try both?

[joe]

first off, when did the kool aid guy talk to you? Because hes my only lord and i thought only i could see him.

second off, this "sex" thing, does it involve a rooster, some jelly beans, and a rubber band? Because if it does, thats all you.

and for my age, i really suck at making sexual reference jokes and i blame that on something, i just cant think of it at the moment.

And the decision is made, im just going to take a sledgehammer to my necrons and whichever ones make there wbb rolls, those are the ones ill pick.

Tough room tonight ;D

[MajorSoB]

shaun said:

He may not have reached that "level" in his adult life to realize that girls can be good. ;D

That's a lie! All they can offer is several years of misery followed by losing half your income to supporting your idiot son... Ooops, did I just type that?