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Post by adsvampire on Mar 26, 2008 10:56:46 GMT -5
Listen, it's the last page of the VC book. Is that official enough? It specifically lists fell bats and bat swarms as INFANTRY and the corpse cart as a MONSTER. It can't get any clearer and official than what is listed in the VC book. Reference guides are never admisable as rules. C'mon you've been playing long enough to know that...
And when did podcasts ever become credible? If any 14 year old can make one, then I'm not interested in what they say.When it is in the actual VC book it most certainly is credible ... C'mon, you've been playing long enough to know that ... The podcast gave me the page number in the VC book.
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Post by Norton on Mar 26, 2008 11:28:54 GMT -5
I'm just saying, It's the bloody reference guide. A notably fallable section of any rulebook, and it's printed by a company that is known for messing up thier rule books.
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Post by johnboo on Mar 26, 2008 12:21:51 GMT -5
The wood elf back o' the book reference guide says elven steeds have the "fast cavalry" rule, but they dont in the main book. Obviously the reference guide is correct, because it makes characters on elven steeds better..... I think I saw a lively discussion about this on http://www.biga$$flyingbatsareinfantysoldiers.com
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Post by adsvampire on Mar 26, 2008 12:26:28 GMT -5
Oh, so you want to discount it because you are assuming it is wrong? That makes no sense at all. Maybe if it contradicted a rule given elsewhere in the book you would have something.
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Post by boldo on Mar 26, 2008 12:45:52 GMT -5
You may be right or you may be wrong. I have decided. I accept that my rulings are probably wrong, but they are now how we are going to play. It would be great if rules were not subject to this sort of abuse but that is a problem for you take up with GW, perhaps they can find a way to avoid this, get better playtesters, or just get someone to make official FAQ in a timely manner. I am sorry you feel so strongly about this but as I have noticed you play neither of these units so it should not be a problem.
Sorry, Boldo
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Post by adsvampire on Mar 26, 2008 13:17:27 GMT -5
Sure, its no problem for me. However, I'm sure I'm not the only VC player who will be in attendance. Seriously, the 2 units are explicitely listed as INFANTRY in the VC book ... there is zero ambiguity. But, it's your perogative to ignore the rules as written.
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Post by boldo on Mar 26, 2008 22:42:30 GMT -5
Yes I agree with you about them being listed in the reference as infantry. I saw it and I could have gone that way. But references have never been rules before so I went with the rule book arguement about characters and unit type. Sure the flier thing is conveluted but like everything they do this is just more sloppy work and I hate being put in this situation only slightly less than I like the idea of rolling for it as a solution so we stick with what I wrote.
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Post by adsvampire on Mar 27, 2008 13:03:08 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. Fell Bats and Bat Swarms are treated in every way as INFANTRY ... except in regards to Invocation of Neheck?
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Post by johnboo on Mar 27, 2008 13:06:31 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. Fell Bats and Bat Swarms are treated in every way as INFANTRY ... except in regards to Invocation of Neheck? Well...they cant enter buildings either, right? That pesky rule about being flyers or something like that....
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Post by adsvampire on Mar 27, 2008 13:32:23 GMT -5
They most certainly can. There is no rule preventing them from entering buildings because they are classed as INFANTRY. Having the ability to fly makes no difference. Or will that rule be changed as well?
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Post by boldo on Mar 27, 2008 15:29:40 GMT -5
I do not remember saying anything about them being infantry in any way. Just that I could see the arguement. I have repeated many times that references are not rules, and I do not recognize wood elf lords on elfish steeds with the fast cav rule, Lion chaiots as not stubborn, Longbeards without the immune to panic, or any of the other non-corrected mistakes in references. These are jus the ones I found in 3 minutes. So let it go, I do not recognize reference as rules. Thus I do not recognize this page as releavant and in the past no one has made such an arguement.
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Post by adsvampire on Mar 27, 2008 15:42:18 GMT -5
OK, so you created a completely new unit type called "Flier". What rules do "Fliers" follow then.
Based upon your previous posts it is safe to assume that anything that can fly is therefore not INFANTRY. I feel bad for people who give their LPs the Cloak of the Dunes then ... "Sorry, you can't enter that building dude. But my guy is an infantry model. Nope, as per the TD your guy is now a FLIER." What about harpies and furies? Or will they be a "special case" and thus be considered infantry.
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