40k Team Tourney January 8th MG

[travis]

Date: January 8th

Place: Millennium Games

Sign-ups 9:30am Start Time 10:00am

Points - 1000 points per player

Entry- $10.00 per player. 9 or more teams and you get food.

Scoring is as follows:

60 points for Battle Points - Win 20 points, Loss 5 points, Tie 10 points

48 points for Player Points - Everyone starts with 42 points. At the end of each game you will be asked "Did your opponent's behavior and/or army selection honestly make this a bad game for you?" One bad game gets you -7 points, two gets you - 21, 3 gets you - 42. If you act like a complete jerk during a game, a judge can hit you with an additional bad game score. Judge's have final approval on all "bad game" scores.

At the end of the event you will chose who your best opponent was. Player's will get 2 additional points for each opponent that puts there name down as best opponent.

46 points for Painting - This is going to be painting judged with the GW score sheet which can be found: www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=9&aId=3400027&start=10

7 Judge points- These are points that everyone starts with. They are only taken away if you are a pain to the organizer/judges. Examples are not reporting round results, leaving your stuff all over the place, being late to your match, scoring someone with a bad game when they shouldn't have been etc.

Awards will be given out for the following

Best Overall - Everything combined $70 in product as well as a slot in the finals.

2nd Overall- Qualifier slot for the finals

Best General - Total Battle Points $ 40 in product

Hobbyist - Sports + Painting $30 in product

Fought the Good Fight - $10.00 in product given out by the judges at there discretion to the player the deserves it. Past award winners include Smitty. They also get free entry to the next GW tourney that they attend.

Force Organization

You and your teammate each pick one of these to play. You both can not choose the same one:
List #1
1xHQ
2xElite
3xTroop
1xFast
1xHeavy

List #2
1xHQ
1xElite
3xTroop
2xFast
1xHeavy

List #3
1xHQ
1xElite
3xTroop
1xFast
2xHeavy

Also units that state they do not take up a force org slot (ie warlock unit, chaos marine greater deamons, command squads..) or units that allow you to have two choices for one slot (Deamon Heralds or space wolf HQs) are allowed as they read in their codices.

**You are required min of 1 HQ and 1 Troop in each force org **

There will be 4 slots given out that qualify for next years invitational. First and Second place teams will qualify.

[bfosburg]

A group of us Erie crew are coming up for this, I'm glad I checked the forums for the format as we would not have known prior. I read through the rules are any armies allowed to ally together, I didn't think I missed it but I could be wrong. Any info regarding that would be helpful thanks

Bryan

[hyv3mynd]

I'm pretty sure any armies can team up for this.

[Smitty]

Yes any armies can ally
For the purposes of the Warhammer 40K Team Tournament, units purchased from the EXACT SAME CODEX are considered ‘Brothers in Arms’ and may receive additional benefits:
• Units that alter an army's Force Organization selections WILL affect other Team Member's 1,000-point lists, for example a Space Marines Master of the Forge allows all Brothers in Arms to take Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Ironclad Dreadnoughts as Heavy Support choices as well as Elites choices.
• Special/Unique/Named Characters may join Brothers in Arms units from your Coalition Team Member's force.
• Special Abilities (other than alterations to the Force Organization) that would affect an entire ‘army’ or ‘friendly units’ may affect both Team Members of a 2-player Coalition if their forces are considered to be ‘Brothers in Arms’, but will not affect forces in the other Coalition on a different table. Example: Vulcan’s special ability counting all Melta, Flamer, and Thunder hammers, as master crafted would apply to any Coalition units purchased from Codex Space Marine. It would not apply to units purchased from any other codex.
• Vehicles with the transport capability CAN ONLY be used to transport troops that are considered Brothers in Arms (e.g. a Black Templar Land Raider Crusader brought as a Heavy Choice for one Team Member cannot transport a squad of Khorne Berzerkers from another Team Member).

[bfosburg]

Thank you, are there any Rochester gamers in need of a team mate we have a few stragglers down here that might need a team mate?

[travis]

I think there is a separate thread for people looking for partners.

[VenoMinoN]

Is this tournament, or are any in the series this year, going to be WYSIWYG?

[Smitty]

They are suppose to be wysiwyg..

[jpiacelli]

its more like just try to get it as close as you can so your not calling stuff whatever and the opponets are not confused

[fishboy]

Uh....I thought it was pretty much wysiwyg...

[Dorian]

I would love to play in this but "and/or army selection honestly make this a bad game for you?" strikes me as subjective comp scoring. The problem is what one person sees as cheese / win at all costs others see as bad.
Case in point Nob Bikers, many people think they are cheese / win at all costs. I don't in fact I have seen them tabled by good players running IG, SM, SW, BA even CSM which many people feel is too weak.

If there was a cut & dry way they scored comp via a rubric I could understand, still would disagree with any comp scoring, but it would be better. Subjective comp scoring can also cause things like "Hey I didn't like that guys list & we're pretty close so I'll down vote him to help me in placings" Not saying this would happen, just that it could.

[travis]

That's true unfortunately 40k isn't a balanced game and the company making it doesn't do anything to make it that way. So no Comp just means that everyone brings 'Ard boyz lists and takes most of the skill out of the game. It just turns into a dice off. Since there is no such thing as a perfect comp system we leave it up to the player's to decide whether they had a good game or a bad game. If a player judges you down they need to come up with a specific reason why. Can there still be issues? Yes. Will it between between two player's rather then player's and my staff? Yes. We run these events once a month. They are fun events meant to get to community doing something on a regular basis. Can people be cheesy to each other? They sure can. It only cost them the respect of the player base. So you can act like a tool, but good luck getting any games. If your just playing for prize support, then you could prolly find a bigger event to go to. Hopefully that makes sense. As player, you get to pick and choose what events you attend. If you don't like an event structure don't play. As an organizer it's much better for me to have someone not attend, then to have someone attend and complain about the event format while playing. I like to think that for the most part our community is above chipmunking. We tend to take care of offenders one way or another. Hope this explains some of why we do things the way we do them.

[Staff]

A few Questions about the team rules that arose during a few practice games:

1. does a team with 2 Ork players have one waaagh that affects both at the same time or do they get one each that affects just their own 1000 point army and can be used seperate of each other?

2. For dawn of war deployments (if they will be part of the tourney) do teams get 1 hq + 2 troops to deploy per player or does each team get 1 hq + 2 troops to split between them?

[Smitty]

As much as I would like it ruled the other way here are your answers:
1. does a team with 2 Ork players have one waaagh that affects both at the same time or do they get one each that affects just their own 1000 point army and can be used separate of each other? Only 1 waaagh. It has to be used by both armies at the same time.

2. For dawn of war deployments (if they will be part of the tourney) do teams get 1 hq + 2 troops to deploy per player or does each team get 1 hq + 2 troops to split between them? 1 hQ and 2 troops split between them. so you can only have One HQ and two troops on the board. I would direct them to play test last year’s missions. I don’t believe there was a mission like this.

[Dorian]

travis

While I disagree immensely with much of what you said about comp. I realize that this is not the place to debate it & also that it is your tournament you will run as you see fit. You also say people must provide a reason for the deduction, I did not see this in the original post. It says judges have final approval but the question "Did your opponent's behavior and/or army selection honestly make this a bad game for you?" struck me as a yes/no question. Perhaps if you included a statement something like "If so, then why?" and please take any criticism as constructive it is meant to be nothing but.

Also I feel from some of your language you took it as a shot against the community / Da Boyz / Millennium, I assure you it was not meant as such I was just voicing my concerns. True they are in opposition to yours but I was not trying to "act like a tool" as you put. I thought tournament discussion forums were a place to discuss tournaments in a friendly open matter. If you believe anything I had said was a direct attack / inflammatory please send me a personal message with what it was so I don't do it in the future. I apologize for any perceived offense & hope we can avoid further confrontation in anything but a constructive manner.

Edit:
It has been brought to my attention that one of the reason you may have been irked is that comp has been beaten to death on these forums. I'm still new around these forums so I was unaware.