Last man standing June lock in

[nutter]

We are running another 40k lock-in June 16th

Registration will start at 6pm first game will start by 7pm.

Cost: $25.00 price includes food and late night doughnuts.

Points: 1250

We will be running a a modified "Last Man Standing" event. Tables will be much larger with groups of 4 players trying to win their respective tables.

Player's will get points for killing HQ's and having their own troops survive each table.

There will be a series of games played throughout the night and into the early morning.

Prize support will be impressive.

-Armies will be no more than 1250 pts, following standard force org. rules.

-Games will be played on a table that is formed by a 4' x 4' table, with an extra 1' x 4' space added to each edge. (Think red cross symbol)

-4 players will play on each table at a time, rounds will be 5 turns long.

-Before each turn, order of play will be randomly decided by drawing cards for playing first, second, etc.

Scoring:

Kill Points:

-In order to gain points for killing enemy units, the unit must be destroyed entirely. This means that only the player to kill the last model of an enemy unit will be rewarded the points, regardless of whoever else may have done damage to the unit.

-Units that fall back and are removed from play by running off of the board edge WILL NOT REWARD POINTS.

-Points for killing a unit are awarded as follows: Units killed that belong to either played to the side of you will be worth 2 kill points. Units from the player on the opposite side of the table from you will be worth 3 kill points.

-In addition, players should keep track of how many enemy HQs they kill over the course of all of their games (for head hunters prize at the end of the night).

-A Lone Wolf (Codex: Space Wolves) that survives an entire game without dying will reward a kill point to EACH opponent on the table.

Last Man Standing:

-Players will be rewarded a point for each unit they have surviving at the end of each game.

King of the Hill:

-Each table will have an objective in the center of the board. This objective can be claimed or contested by ANY unit, EXCEPT for dedicated transports that are not transporting a unit.

-The objective will be worth 3 points.

-Points for this objective will be scored on EVERY player turn, starting on turn 2.

Deployment:

-Each player will deploy in one of the 1'x 4' 'tabs', staying at least 6" away from each side edge.

-Players MUST deploy AT LEAST 700 points worth of their army BEFORE the start of turn 1. Players using Codex: Daemons are exempt to this rule.

-Outflanking units will be deployed as follows: On a roll of 5-6, the unit enters play from an edge touching any inside corner of the board they choose. On a roll of 1-4, the unit will enter play from a board edge touching one of the corresponding inside corners, declared before rolling.

-Wolf Scouts entering play via their special deployment rule will enter as follows: Roll of 1: Enter from the long edge of the controlling players deployment zone. 2: Long edge of controllers deployment, or any edge touching the two inside corners closest to their deployment zone. 3+: Any edge, as normal.


At the end of each game the total points you scored will determine how many battle points you score for that round.

This event is going to have a sign up sheet at the store(Not there yet so don't ask) Once you pay you get to sign up, were going to start off with 16 slots, then a waiting list, once the waiting list goes over 4 will then add another table. I don't like doing this but in order for the tournament to run right we have to do it like this.

Also your going to play everyone at this tournament, after the first round you wont get matched up via battle points, I'll have table assignment done already.


Feel free to post any questions, ask me (Ben Lucko) Andy or Zack
(yes this is like the last years lock in)
Rules will be official on 5/30

[hyv3mynd]

Are special characters allowed?

Also when you say your score will determine battle points, will this prevent the exploitation that happened at the last running of this format? For example, I was the only player to go undefeated, yet I didn't even place because other people got several dozen points by holding the center uncontested.

[bromento]

This was me. I tend to get lucky by the lack of clarity in rules.

[bfosburg]

I apologize for always being the one to throw wrenches into the works, but if the June WD has rules for flyers as rumored, would those rules be allowed in this. I am advertising this to the Erie guys, unfortunately we wouldn't be able to sign up early, would you like us to make sure we bring a divisible number of 4 people plus any extras depending on the waiting list?

Bryan

[nutter]

@ Aaron, Yes and yes. Points will be like a bracket, 10/8/6/4. As of right now, You can bring special characters if you want, I'll edit the main post to show when the rules are official and live we might make them worth more VP points since there brick units. Also talking with Zack we might amend some special character rules I.E. Storm lord.

@ Chris............/facepalm

@ Fosburg. I'm not going to touch the flyer thing right now, I'll Say that i'm leaning towards no if the rumors are true. Also, just keep in touch about the b-low/Erie Players. remember this is a lock in so we normally get done like 2-3 in the morning.

[hyv3mynd]

Is there any chance the army format will change?

Is the main June event going to be Throne of Skulls (non-comp)?

The reason I ask is if both events are non-comp with special characters allowed, I'd like to pick up some new models and start painting them. It would suck to get half way through and see the format change.

[nutter]

I don't know about next months tournament, for the fact that i cant seem to find the actual scoring system, i can say that this format is pretty much set, some rules tweeks but nothing to FO other than what happens with flyer's

[hyv3mynd]

Here's the ToS scoring from last year:

"Scoring went as follows-

17 maximum points for each mission x 4 Missions = 68 points

10 maximum points for painting. Each vote you got for best painted from your opponents (Each person played 4 total opponents) was worth 2.5 points. Those people that got buys instead got 3.33 points per vote.

10 points maximum for favorite opponent. Points for this broke down the same.

10 points maximum for Pub Quiz. 25 questions .4 points per correct answer.

2 points if your were the only person playing your army.

That totals 100. You couldn't have more votes then 4 for both painting and best opponent."

[professor]

Not to nitpick (but I am going to anyway) but destroying the unit "awards" the kill points. As a verb, nouns are Rewarded, if you reward someone they are awarded a reward by you.

That means the units award a reward of 3 Points for the player across from them and award 2 Points for all other units.

I think 4 points for a center objective per player turn is too much. If you park a Land Raider on top of the objective for one turn (which makes it almost impossible to contest the objective) you get the equivalent of killing 10 units. Given most armies at this level will bring anywhere from 8-10 Kill Points, it makes it worth wiping 1250 points out...

If we set it to 1 point per player turn it makes it worth holding to force people to the centers. Further, trying to just outshoot an opponent is a poor proposition in this format since you are likely to have your kills ninja'ed.

Most importantly, this stops Chris from being a tool

There are a lot of rules that influence the entire game state now (Writhing Worldscape?) that may need to be rethought. For example, should Runes of Warding hit all players?

[hyv3mynd]

May 11, 2012 9:12:33 GMT -5 professor said:

I think 4 points for a center objective per player turn is too much. If you park a Land Raider on top of the objective for one turn (which makes it almost impossible to contest the objective) you get the equivalent of killing 10 units. Given most armies at this level will bring anywhere from 8-10 Kill Points, it makes it worth wiping 1250 points out...

If we set it to 1 point per player turn it makes it worth holding to force people to the centers. Further, trying to just outshoot an opponent is a poor proposition in this format since you are likely to have your kills ninja'ed.

This is basically what happened last year with daemons and nids dominating with strong assault elements holding the centers. I believe Bromento and Warmasterprimus each had single rounds scores over 50pts after holding the center for several game turns.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this. The event's called "last man standing" because I think they want epic 4 way battles for the center where one champion rises above the rest.

If you reduce the value of the center, then the most resilient armies with the best guns start to win just sitting in their DZ's sniping kill points.

I think either way is fine depending on how the TO wants the games to play out. The important thing is that final scores convert to capped battle points so if nobody fights you for the center and you get 60pts during the game, the massacre victory is still only worth 10bps.

[professor]

I agree that the center needs to be worth taking to push armies together and remove a bias for armies to sit back safely in their deployment zone and shoot up everyone else.

That said, 1 point per turn still accomplishes this (or 2 points).

The problem I ran into in the last game of last year's lock in is a Land Raider is ~6.25" wide and 7" long. This makes it impossible to contest an objective the LR sits on top of and it can wrack up a huge number of points while someone tries to bring a meltagun to bear.

[hyv3mynd]

True, but it would take the land raider 2 full turns of movement to get there.

TBH, there are several units/combos that "break" the format a lot worse than a land raider. Wait till you see my triple mawloc/swarmlord/deathleaper list hahaha.

Even 3 cheap drop pod units could surround the center. I was expecting to see this last year and was surprised more people didn't use them.

[nutter]

If some thing is board wide, it still happens like runes, thing like that don't Ruin the game. Necrons gave use 4 new board wide fun things and that why were gonna run a couple of test games.

WW/diviner would ruin a lot of cover and stuff during the game but it's not awful for players (Plus its a ton of point and can be countered, OMGIEE I HAVE TO STAND OUTSIDE COVER), it actually helps the rest of the table more since it may f**k up peoples charges and stuff.

the night lord/SP is just a overall dicck thing to bring, so that why where thinking of limiting the effects to just the Necron units (Think old school grey nights.)

Again this is pure fun for a lock in, so i'm not going to allow stuff that completely rams a fist into a certain area of the body for the rest of the table, and basically if this bothers players then don't play that army or don't play. (If this post seems angry its been a long day a work)

Erich your a grammar nazi. ~

[hyv3mynd]

Yeah the only thing that could get out of control would be Imotekh's lightning strikes. You probably don't want one necron player getting lightning strikes on all 3 opponents in a KP game lol.

Though, if it were me at that table, I'd call a 3 way alliance and table the necron player for bringing that combo. That's the nice thing about the format, if someone get's too rowdy they piss off 3 opponents.

[MajorSoB]

1) Monthly discussion of rules centering on how to exploit them. Check.

Resulting in:

2) Fun officially sucked out of the lock in before it begins.

3) PRICELESS!!!