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Post by dragons3 on Mar 9, 2006 17:45:24 GMT -5
I'LL BUST ON ANYONE WHO CALLS ME COWARDLY, THANK YOU, (NO EXCEPTIONS). IF THE RULE BOOK EVER GETS OPENED MORE THAN TWICE, IT JUST KILLS THE GAME, MY OPINION. SO IF YOU SPEND A SMALL FORTUNE ON AN ARMY, THATS A STANDARD ARMY, WHICH MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY ALL THE VARIANT CHARACTERS, THATS WHY EVERY BODY PLAYS THE STANDARD HQ'S. CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. IRON WARRIOR THINK ABOUT THIS: WE ALL HAVE SPACEMARINES OR CHAOS MARINES THAT WE CAN PLAY AS SPACEMARINES. WHAT IF WE ALL PLAY THE SAME EXACT SPACEMARINE ARMY IN A TOURNAMENT TO DETERMINE THE BEST PLAYER. IT WOULD BE LIKE CHESS, APPLES TO APPLES, TACTICS WOULD COME INTO PLAY WITH RISKS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE COULD HAVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND OF ONLY 1 POINT, OR EVEN HAVE SOMEONE WHO LOST ALL THREE ROUNDS WIN THE TOURNAMENT. THE "IROC WARHAMMER TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS. PLUS WE ALL ENOUGH MODELS TO LOAN TO OTHER PEOPLE SO EVERYONE CAN PLAY.
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Post by MajorSoB on Mar 9, 2006 17:55:42 GMT -5
Sounds like excuses Dragon. You had a lord with Veil of Time, you could have used that to movbe troops into the deployment zone. The monolith has good weaponry, one of which is strenghth 10, and also can be used as a transport. It's not our problem or your opponent's that you wont use it.
As for you West, calm the f#%@ down, where just picking on you!!!!
BTW, you're cowardly too!
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Post by Catachan Colonel on Mar 9, 2006 18:01:29 GMT -5
I dont like to have to keep digging out the rulebook too. [/li][li]If people would stop being wrong i could stop pointing it out Opening the book more than twice does start to kill the game. [/li][li]So in the fiture when i say someone is doing something wrong (because they are) i wont have to dig out my rulebook to proove it. Just accept my word as even more cannon. Reading the rules to squeek out every little advantage. [/li][li] like in a game against Spinner his third game in a tournament actually knowing he used 700 extra points and was blatantly just cheating. Little advantages like that are unreasonable. I should have just said what his previous opponents did. "Gee, that must be ok!" You zoom in on me callong you cowardly (which was me just trying to make a point) as opposed to my actual point. [/li][li] You say to us all if its in your army bring it is the way you challenge when it indeed is not! For some reason you have decided specail characters cause rules problems but the blatant min maxing and other could be called abuses they have no serious rules problem at all. wow where does this logic come from ? in any case i was not calling you cowardly just ststing your "Just bring it policy" is not actually one and you Have decided just like Ron and I that some things cause problems. We just pick other things. BTW i think i will skip the quitting my job. And look forward to our rematch in a future tourney.
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Post by MajorSoB on Mar 9, 2006 18:57:54 GMT -5
You know Dragon, Tom does bring up a few interesting points...
1) Special characters- While some are kind of tooled out, others are quite fluffy and priced accordingly. For the most part I enjoy seeing special characters and have never understood what the big objection is to them.
2) Army comp- Yes, you need two sqauds of troops to be legal and if you take two squads of troops at full strenghth that is very fair and fluffy, in most cases. Often players (no names) take minimum squads of troops at minimun size to maximize their heavy weapon count, etc. I still struggle to see how an army with two squads of 5 scouts is fair and fluffy, but you seem to think fluffy equals special units, not core troop units. Interesting to say the least...
3) Rules- Yes, Tom is a rules lawyer, but more often then not he is correct. Answer me this, why did any of us buy that $50 rules book if there is a problem with referencing it during the game? I have no problem playing by the rules and feel no one should be above learning them better, period.
4) "IROC" Tourney- A brilliant idea! I like it! I think it would be fun some day to play identical armies and duel it out using stategy alone to win. Nice work Dragon!!!
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Post by dragons3 on Mar 9, 2006 21:46:25 GMT -5
MAJOR S.O.B., I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE COULD ALL AGREE ON A COMMON SPACEMARINE ARMY. I WAS GOING TO START A THREAD ON THIS BUT I THINK TOOLING THIS IDEA AROUND HERE IS OK. I JUST HOPE THIS DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE 48 HOURS OF MEANINGLESS DRIBBLE.
I COULDN'T STATISTICAL WIN AGAINST THAT CHAOS ARMY FOR THE OBJECTIVES I HAD. REMEMBER YOUR LUCKY TO GET FOUR TURNS IN AT THE COYOTES DEN @1850 POINTS.
IF ANYONE ONE ELSE THINKS THIS WOULD/WOULDN'T BE FUN HAVING AN IROC WARHAMMER 40K TOURNAMENT, PLEASE COMMENT.
AND TOMMY,I WILL BE GLADE TO KICK YOUR BUTT AGAIN AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNE TIME.
"AND DON'T QUIT YOUR JOB, I WAS JUST BALL BUSTING."
THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES, I WAS GIVING YOU GUYS SOMETHING TO DO, HAVEA NICE DAY. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Iron Warrior on Mar 10, 2006 4:35:08 GMT -5
Now that is a cool idea, i like it. The lists should be identical in all aspects, i think it would be fun. The whole start of this little rant, was that You play against the same marine or chaos army over and over again because they take the same things it gets boring....heres an example of how I feel...I will put you in my place. Thursday, You play ME with my IW, SUnday you play ME with my IW, Thursday You play DOUG with my IW, Sunday you go to a tournament and Play DOUG and TOM with my IW 2 out of 3 games. Thursday You play TOM with MY IW. SUnday you play ME with my IW, Thrusday you play Me with my IW, Sunday another tournement you play ME, TOM and DOUG with my IW 3 out of 3 games, Thursday you play TOM with MY IW. (BTW the army doesnt change much) Can ya see where it becomes boring? Almost to the point of insanity(little over reacting but eh)...(even if you are switching armies your still playing me with my IW) People dont freak out here its just an example. The game has gotten so d**n cookie cutter its boring as hell. Why do you think I have 3 DIFFRENT choas armies (none of which use a Deamon Princes btw! ), a Guard army and an Ork army. I used to own a Nid, Necron and 2 other ork armies. I love the game concept, I love the fluff, the rules a blah, the people are great (to a certain point)....BUt when it comes down to it all, The Players make or break the hobby/game.
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Post by Catachan Colonel on Mar 10, 2006 6:20:03 GMT -5
I actually think we should do thiw with chaos instead of marines.
Since we all have our Monstrous creature with demonic speed and a Big @$$ Weapon. I think we all have it painted too.
On the Everyone is diffrent mode Oddly If we ever do the Xenos War idea i think we will have a lot of variety.
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Post by raufar more manly than me on Mar 10, 2006 7:43:01 GMT -5
Brian - shut the hell up! Mike - relax, no matter what way you play BA, someone will complain about them Dragons- this is the Daboyz forums - get used to this stuff!! Ron - you are now the grumpy, old man of the group.( and I totally agree about the STC currently going on for marines. I am going to go for all shooty marines -no cc - 6 devs. all shooty tacs. 1 id 10 commander naked!!) Tommy - I was going to say stop causing trouble -but why bother - its your nature! ;D
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Post by dragons3 on Mar 10, 2006 8:21:28 GMT -5
CATACHAN COLONEL: EVERYBODY CAN PLAY SPACEMARINES, CHAOS MARINE PLAYERS WOULD HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER REGULAR MARINE PLAYERS, NOT GOOD. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, CHAOS, IS SPACEMARINES WITH A LOT DIFFERENT STUFF. THE LEAST STUFF WITH THE SIMPLEST ARMY THAT EVERYBODY CAN PLAY WILL DETERMINE THE BEST PLAYER. WHAT THE HELL WOULD PAINTING HAVE TO DO WITH THE BEST PLAYER. RAUfar more manly than me, NO PROBLEM, IT JUST TAKES A WHILE TO GET USE TO A BUNCH OF WIIIIIIIIINING, HEAD STRONG IRRATIONAL GRUMPY CHILDISH SPOILED GIRL-E-MEN THAT BAND TOGETHER TO DEFEND A POSITION WHICH THEY HAVEN'T AGREED UPON YET, AND I DON'T ME THAT IN A BAD. THE "DRAGON STANDS ALONE" GET USE TO IT! RON UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, I'VE ONLY PLAYED 3 YEARS, SO I'M NOT REALLY AFFECTED THAT MUCH BY THE CONSTANT BOMBARDMENT OF PLAYING MARINE ARMIES OVER & OVER AGAIN, GOT ONE MY SELF. SO WHEN YOU CHALLENGE ME, JUST REQUEST NO MARINES AND I SHALL A-BYE. WILL CHAT LATER ON "THE IROC-40K TOURNEY" & COMMON ARMY LIST. HAVE A NICE DAY! ;D
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Post by Sanguinary on Mar 10, 2006 8:45:21 GMT -5
The scariest thing from this whole long thread is I am actually starting to understand what Dragon says at least 70% of the time.
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Post by Hagbard The Mighty on Mar 10, 2006 8:50:33 GMT -5
Um, careful when you say EVERYONE. I have only ever palyed eldar (cuz I can only afford one army and wanted to be differnt than EVERYONE). I have never read a space amrine codex nro played a mrine army of any kind....
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Post by dragons3 on Mar 10, 2006 11:01:36 GMT -5
HAGBARD, I CAN MAKE AN ARMY LIST THAT STATES WEAPONS, MOVEMENT AND WHAT EVER ELSE IS REQUIRED PLUS A DEBRIEFING BEFORE HAND. IF THIS EVER HAPPENS, I THINK IT WILL. SOME THURSDAY NIGHT YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME, I'LL BRING SPACEMARINES AND WILL PLAY YOUR ELDAR. MOST OF "DABOYZ" WOULD DO THIS! ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TRY A DIFFERENT ARMY CAN ALWAYS CHALLENGE ME, AND WILL BRING MULTIPLE ARMY LISTS YOU PICK IT, AND I'LL USE YOUR ARMY AGAINST IT, (I HAVE SPACEMARINES, NECRONS, TYRANIDS & ARMOUR COMPANY). ANOTHER TYPE OF TOURNAMENT THAT PATRICK (FROM THE COYOTES DEN) AND I WANTED TO TRY WAS: ARMY SWAPPING DURING A TOURNAMENT. THIS WAY YOU BUILT A COMPLETIVE ARMY WITH A QUICK SHEET ON HOW TO PLAY IT. AT THE START OF EACH ROUND, AFTER PAIR UPS, A D6 IS ROLLED, AND ON A 4+ YOU PLAY EACH OTHERS ARMY. "JUST ANOTHER DRAGON TOURNEY CONCEPT" "RON YOU MIGHT THAT CONCEPT EVEN MORE! GOTTA GO!
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Post by raufar more manly than me on Mar 10, 2006 11:11:43 GMT -5
Dragons-
The round robin tournament using someone elses army has been done!
It was probably the most fun we ever had!!!!! I got stuck with a Dark Eldar army - couldn't tell the diff. between a blaster and a dark lance.
Then I got stuck w/ Tommy's Catachans!! Total FUBAR!
Try it again, it was a blast!
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Post by dragons3 on Mar 10, 2006 12:04:32 GMT -5
SPACEMARINE COMMEN ARMY CONCEPT 1) BEST IN BREED, FUN TO PLAY 2) INCLUDE VARITY WHICH WILL DEVERSIFY TACTICS 3) INCLUDE SOME BALANCE, BUT INCLUDE DEEP STRIKE AND INFILTERATE 4) FILL ALL 17 ARMY SELECTIONS 5) TOTAL POINTS UNIMPORTANT OTHER THAN HOW MUCH TIME WILL IT TAKE TO PLAY A ROUND. 6) TBD “YOUR INPUT REQUIRED”
ARMY LIST-CONCEPT #1 HQ 1) CHAPLIN 2) COMMANDER ELITES 1) 5 TERMINATORS with 2 ASSAULT CANNONS 2) 8 MAN VETERAN SQUAD WITH RINO with EXTRA ARMOR & SMOKE LANCHER 3) DREADNOUGHT with TWIN-LINKED LASCANNON HEAVY SUPPORT 1) LANDRAIDER with EXTRA ARMOR & SMOKE LAUNCHERS 2) VINDICATOR with EXTRA ARMOR, DOZER BLADE, SMOKE LAUNCHER 3) 7 MAN DEVESTOR SQUAD with 2 MISSILE LAUNCHERS, 1 LASCANON,1 HEAVY BOLTER FAST ATTACK 1) 8 MAN ASSAULT SQUAD 2) TORNADO 3) 3 BIKES ? or SPEEDER ? “MODEL DEPENDENT TROOPS 1) 5 SCOUTS with 4 SNIPER RIFLES 2) 6 MAN SQUAD in a RAZORBACK with TWIN-LINK LASCANNONS & SMOKE LAUNCHERS & EXTRA ARMOUR. 3) 8 MAN SQUAD with DROP POD 4) 5 MAN SQUAD ON FOOT 5) 8 MAN SQUAD in a RINO with EXTRA ARMOUR & SMOKE LAUNCHERS 6) 5 MAN SQUAD ON FOOT
I NEED HELP HERE, I CAN’T ORGANISE THIS BECAUSE OF TIME, BUT SOME CAN TAKE THE BALL FROM HERE AND USE THIS LIST AS A STRAWMAN.
DRAGONS FLY’N OUT, SEE YA! ;D ;D ;D
RAUfar more manly than me, THANKS FOR YHE INFO, I LIKE THE ROUND ROBIN IDEA ALSO.
THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE! ;D
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Post by Brinan The Barbarian on Mar 10, 2006 16:17:47 GMT -5
Just a response to Tom, Pariahs are 36 pts. They are not Necrons. No invulnerable save. In. 3. Sure the Gauss Blasters are cool, but if I can shoot you, you can shoot me. You always could sit back, but no one in the right mind will let you get near them to assault. Lets get my dads opinion.
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