meeting about the Daboyz GT

[MajorSoB]

Great summary James! Let's begin...

1) I was not late, I arrived precisely when I was needed. ( Thanks again for the help Jay! )

2) I will add at least one other table next year. I can start a thread so we have a rough idea of the types of tables we now have available as a club and what newer addiions we might like to see.

3) I liked the raffle. It is always a good idea to offer prizes or the potential for prizes to everyone in attendance. I believe we raised a decent amount of money through this. One suggestion I would give is the idea of a basket style raffle. The way it works is that you have all your prizes divided out and placed behind baskets or jar. People buy tickets and place the ticket in the appropriate jar adjacent to the prize they would like to have a chance to win. It offers a bit more control in what you might be fortunate to take home.

4) I like the increase in comp scoring's weight. I think we have some solid ideas that will be used in judging this. I like the idea of players being asked as to why they deserve good comp. I also like the one named character limit. I like having player input in comp scores but think we could rework the questions to get a bit more range.

5) I like the increase to 2000-ish points. In light of this I would move that a 4 turn maximum be used under the current time constraints that we used per round. 5 turns would be ideal but I dont think is possible given we may have some newer players and some large horde armies. 4 rounds is good.

6) An additional event is necessary. The possibilities I would like to see would be Blood Bowl, Battlefleet Gothic or LOTR bring and battles on friday or saturday nights. I also like adding a fun Apocalypse style game friday night. We could also do some sort of Grot racing event ( I have seen in done at Gamesday but need rules, help? ). I would like a painting contest added as well. This could be free to enter for the event participants and a nominal fee for outside contestants. We also could have a paint and take event for younger or newer people. While Fantasy seems the obvious pairing to our event, I believe it sets up a logistical problem with record keeping and space. If we go down this road some like hmmm...Norton might want to head a team to run it? Feel free to discuss these ideas.

7) As for the software to do the scoring, my son has offered to help design a Excel spreadsheet similar to Tommy's. I think we can work on this idea. What can you offer in regards to this Steve?

8) Video games might work as well, but James you have to promise Sergio will not make his way to the event!

Thank you for the positive suggestions and ideas that were proposed. The meeting was first class and I was glad that I was there to help.

[Krusty (zack)]

apocalypse would be a cool addition, maybe prizes for people that have the most points left at the end?
just would have to work out what restrictions there will be on D weapons and stuff like that...

[Horst]

nah, apocalypse isn't about things like restrictions... I'd say everyone can bring their army + a single superheavy... any discrepencies in points between teams after factoring in the superheavies is doled out in extra strategems to the lower side.

The apocalypse game would need to have some serious planning ahead... if everyone who wanted to play the apoc game posted their army and type a week before the tournament, the organizer of the apoc game could break them into teams, and subteams on each large team to accomplish a specific objective.

We'd need to push together several tables... which could be sweet. Make objectives on each table that effect the game, like if team A controls a fuel depot on table 3, then team A gets a +3" movement bonus to all vehicles, things like that. get a bigass airhorn, and give each team 30 minutes per turn. blow the airhorn at the end of it, and whatever didn't get done doesn't get done. We'd need to keep it moving. at 30 minutes per turn (per side), its still a 6 hour game.

nuts, talking about this makes it seem fun to plan.

[Krusty (zack)]

when there is something as broken as D weapons that can be abused and ruin a game that should be for fun, yes, there should be some restrictions...

[Soleman]

I think that a single super heavy per army is plenty of restrictions, though we might want to expand that to either a super heavy or an Apocalypse formation. I for one am more likely to want to bring a larger number of models that I can use in a normal game than to spend the cash on a single model that I'll only use sometimes.

D weapons are nasty, but an apocalyptic battle is SUPPOSED to be nasty.

I also like the idea of a set time limit per turn. It not only keeps the game moving but will bring a sense of urgency to the battle.

[inzeos]

Apoc game would be fun but you would need a lot of space table wise to support even a few people playing. Not to mention in the space we have we would not be able to leave tables and units setup as is often needed in apoc games.

Heavy's and D weapons are almost required to speed up the first turn casualties, which thins out the board a bit.

I would be interesting in joining up with the team that works on the tables and terrain in general for 2010. If needed I could provide database support for our scoring and tracking system.

[MajorSoB]

In regards to Apocalypse, the point in playing is pure fun and not so much winning. I would not impose restrictions on anything other than one super heavy or formation per player. If this is a prize supported event I would prefer to tie rewards randomly to participation ( a lottery or drawing ) or reward things like best / worst unit taken, first unit killed, best wrecking machine, best / worse looking model, maybe uncovering random judge placed objectives throughout the game, etc rather than rewarding an overall points winner. What say you?

[Soleman]

Oct 19, 2009 19:57:20 GMT -5 MajorSoB said:

In regards to Apocalypse, the point in playing is pure fun and not so much winning. I would not impose restrictions on anything other than one super heavy or formation per team. If this is a prize supported event I would prefer to tie rewards randomly to participation ( a lottery or drawing ) or reward things like best / worst unit taken, first unit killed, best wrecking machine, best / worse looking model, maybe uncovering random judge placed objectives throughout the game, etc rather than rewarding an overall points winner. What say you?

Here here! Great ideas, IMO.

[Garou24]

An apocalypse game would be fun to have at the GT. Even if a few boards could be spared it would give an interesting side game for players that came to watch or were not able to play both days. D weapons in apocalypse are not so bad, when you have 20,000 plus points on each side of the table, a large D weapon blast takes out a chunk of models, but there is plenty left to strike back with also.

Prizes would be a fun addition also for the Apocalypse tables. You might see a bigger turn out since players that might not feel ready for tournament play could enjoy a fun game at the apocalypse table working with other players on their team.

[smittyrj78]

I like most of these ideas, since we have the hall till 2am I think it would be cool to have an Apocalypse game Saturday Night maybe, and do some space hulk or something small on Friday night.

I don't think we should increase the amount of points for our GT. Yes our area is big on the 2k+ games but a lot of areas out there focus on 1500-1750 point range which is the point range that the system was designed around. I like this point range in that it makes choose your units carefully, you have to really think because you can't get all your uber units in. Besides it we want to force getting to turn 4 or 5 than I think the time frame was just right for the points we played that weekend.
I think this was one of the more enjoyable GT/Tournaments I have been to. I like the time frames and time between game because I never felt rushed which happens to me a lot of tournaments.

As I said great job to you guys that night when it was over great job!

[Iron Warrior]

Sounds like there is a lot of support for an Apoc game. I personally would like to see an Apoc game too. Sounds like fun!

[jay]

Apoc game sound great. Would you want to have set armies and have people come and play. For instance take as much forgeworld/ super heavies as you can take. People could donate as much as they could. I have a trygon that could be used. Chris has a ton of stuff. I would want to play test this. Similar what we did at games day a few years back.

One idea I had is that Chris has a ton of that master maze stuff. We could do a space hulk game with using that stuff. You could use more that marines and nids. We would have to write up a mission for it. We would have play test it.

[MajorSoB]

I like the whole Apocalypse game idea and would volunteer to organize and run this. I could donate many of my models for play that evening. I was thinking that we could divide teams along Imperial, Chaos and Xenos lines, each having their own deployment area. Would it be possible to do a three way battle, with everyone deploying at once? Again I would gladly volunteer to run this event as well as help out with the other main event. What do you think of free admission to this event for tournament players as a $5-10 fee for non tourney players to help cover prize cost? We might go $10 and add a slice of pizza and a pop? I have seen some large scale Apocalypse battles on Youtube and I think it would be fun since we have the space. Jay would this satisfy GW if we did Space hulk one night and Apocalypse the following night? Do we need to add a table for Blood Bowl or Gothic?

As for the points for next year, I like 1850 or higher, definitely not any lower since armies get too concentrated at that point. It allows more variation in 2000 points but there also is a speed factor too, since more points equals slower turns etc. I do feel the choice is between 1850 or 2000, no higher or no lower.

[Horst]

We did a fairly cool 3 way battle at RIT last year... it was a large, cross shaped table. the large center table was the imperial deployment zone. The objective of the teams on either side of the cross was to take the imperial relic at the center. The imperial objective was to hold the middle ground, and to take a couple of tactical objectives along the wings (like a space marine force deep striking behind enemy lines to destroy enemy supply depots)

The guys assaulting the imperial palace also had secondary objectives, like killing the other enemies, things like that. If you have enough armies there, each can have a specific objective.

For sides of a 3 way battle, I'd go with

Imperial (guard / marines / inquisition)
Chaotic Xenos + Chaos (chaos / daemons / orks / nids)
Civilized / Advanced Xenos (eldar/necrons/tau)

[Soleman]

Oct 20, 2009 16:05:35 GMT -5 MajorSoB said:

What do you think of free admission to this event for tournament players as a $5-10 fee for non tourney players to help cover prize cost? We might go $10 and add a slice of pizza and a pop?

I would pay $10 to play apocalypse with a slice of pizza, a pop, and a chance to win a raffle. I think that's more than reasonable. I like the idea of tourney players playing for free, though as part of the package. Would it net enough money to support prizes and still have extra to go to the GT?

I've played Space Hulk only a couple of times, it could be interesting to see a large scale game of this. Never played Blood Bowl, Battlefleet Gothic, or LOTR but would be interested in watching a game or so to see how it works.

Just my $.02