Loaded Dice at BeakyCon

[shaun]

Thanks professor. I hope you didn't just delete it as you could always have sent it as a PM.

[hyv3mynd]

Oct 25, 2012 15:14:01 GMT -5 shaun said:

Ok,

So we looked into ordering Dice and we wouldn't be able to get them in on time. After following the conversation (as friendly as it has been) I don't know if requiring dice is the right thing. I probably follow what may be a mojority that don't have an issue but I can relate to the other side of the argument.

What I think we may be doing is requiring players allow their opponent the use of any of their dice at any time. We may also be listing a caveat that the judges will sporadically go around and "test" an individuals dice. We will also ask that any suspicions be brought to the judges attention. Anyone who is caught with "loaded dice" will be expunged from the tournament and all previous opponents will receive adjustments to their scores.

We may also by a "dice spinner" which professionaly checks for loaded dice. Can we maybe end this thread now before it ends in anyone having hurt feelings?

Sounds good Shaun.

[MajorSoB]

That sounds like a great plan Shaun.

[sinistermind]

Im good with that!!

[fishboy]

OOO...how about a buy out plan. We used to do that with motor when we were racing. If we thought someone had a hot motor (to many winds or illegal springs and brushes) then you could buy it for $50. A legal motor cost $40 so everyone was not just buying everyones motors but it kept people from investing a crap load of monet to cheat.

If we do that I will buy eveyones dice so I autowin hehe.

[norton]

Oct 26, 2012 8:52:10 GMT -5 fishboy said:

OOO...how about a buy out plan. We used to do that with motor when we were racing. If we thought someone had a hot motor (to many winds or illegal springs and brushes) then you could buy it for $50. A legal motor cost $40 so everyone was not just buying everyones motors but it kept people from investing a crap load of monet to cheat.

If we do that I will buy eveyones dice so I autowin hehe.

Best plan ever, Round 5 on table 1 just show up with like $400 cash. Just buy every set of dice the other guy puts on the table and then DQ him for not having all the needed supplies to play.

[bbf]

Hi guys !

BBF here to set the record straight. I am the head TO for BeakyCon.

Here are the facts straight from the proverbial horse's mouth...

1. The Cheater is not a friend of mine nor is he a member of my crew as some here have implied. He is at most nothing more than a friend of some of my friends.

2. I spoke with many of the players in attendance at the GT and except for the Cheater's 3rd round opponent no one said this in any way diminished the event for them.

3. The Cheater when caught red handed told us the loaded dice was randomly gotten from a dice bin at one of his local shops. We wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and if he left his two friends that came with him all the way from Miami would have had to leave as well, which I thought would be unfortunate for them as they were innocent bystanders. The rest of the Cheater's games had no sizable effect on the outcome of the event - he was for all practical purposes playing his last three games on day 2 in the losing bracket. It was by no means a snap decision nor was any favoritism involved. The head judge and I deliberated on what we should do - we wanted to be as fair as possible to everyone involved in the dice scam (see point 5 below).

4. In the future anyone caught with loaded dice will be immediately expelled - no mercy.

5. I took the time later after the event was over to contact the Cheater's first round opponent and discovered the Cheater was using his loaded dice in that game as well. I then made a decision to ban the Cheater from all future events. I was on business travel for a week immediately following the GT so it took some time to sort it. Now we all know without a doubt the person in question was intentionally cheating - and is a liar as well. Note that the loaded dice was immediately confiscated at the beginning of the third round.

6. In regards to the third point above - yes we probably should have just expelled the Cheater - it was not the best decision. Hind sight is always 20/20 though.

Overall the GT was a big success and next year we plan to double the number of slots. I believe we will be successful in this quest. ;D

To the haters - keep on hating and keep presenting things from just one side of the story (not!) - you done everyone a great injustice. If you're going to take the time to say something online then spend some time to get it right... The world will be a better place for it. I presented all of this discussion over on my blog to effectively let the world know just where we stand on this matter. Like I said next year there will be no mercy and we will make sure to let everyone playing ahead of time.

Thanks to everyone with an open mind. It's appreciated !

[MajorSoB]

Thanks for dropping by to perform some thread necromancy!

On to your points....

While I believe your accounts to some extent I also remain skeptical of your after-the-fact explanation.

1) You have had some sort of familiarity with the cheater and it is evident when someone visits the forum that you post on. As pointed out by Tasty Taste, he is a member of said forum and his tag line pokes fun at getting caught, "They Call Me Loaded". You can deny this if you like but the previous link on this forum can take anyone straight to that forum so that they can read and judge for themselves.

2) Your decision to allow that cheater to continue in the event undermines your integrity. I could care less what impact it had on most players, the fact remains that he was caught red handed with an instrument used to alter results. If he was using something like that in a casino he would have been walked out in handcuffs. You slapped him on the wrist and told him to come back tomorrow. Very weak.

3) I applaud your follow up but firmly believe that was a result to the pressure you received afterwards and a way to save face. I believe if it was not reported, you would have given the cheater a pat on the butt and told him not to do it again, and next year he would be back with some other sort of shenanigans.

4) I don't doubt that you run a good event, and I wish you well in the future but I firmly believe that you acted in an inappropriate way and again, find it very hard to believe your account afterwards. There is no place in this hobby for cheating, period, end of discussion. For you to give him the benefit of the doubt when you had that loaded dice in the palm of your hand invited the criticism and doubt that you received.

Now shovel some dirt back on this thread and bury it, along with that unnamed cheater and his dice!

Oh lastly...

5) Failing to name the cheater also speaks volumes. Kinda reminds me of the football program in Pennsylvania where they quietly tried to sweep things under the rug...

[bbf]

There is no need to shame someone publically. Pretty much a lot of people here in Florida know who he is including his friends from his gaming group. I am glad his first round opponent spoke out finally or there would always be a doubt in some people's mind. You can't really win as when word of this hit the public there were lots of people that said he deserved a chance. You try to make it sound like there was no punishment at the event which is not true and he was clearly upset about it. If I was trying to cover it up I would have never posted about it in length on my blog.

Sure he posts on my forums - a lot of people do... That doesn't mean they are all my friends... You're entitled to your opinion... it is quite obvious you are another one of the twisted trolls that inhabits the Internet. Anyways I am fine with how everything worked out. I have DQd a club member before at I GT here in Florida I ran - so go stick that in your lil pipe and have some fun with it freak .

[Brinan The Barbarian]

Nov 8, 2012 7:48:49 GMT -5 bbf said:

There is no need to shame someone publically. Pretty much a lot of people here in Florida know who he is including his friends from his gaming group. I am glad his first round opponent spoke out finally or there would always be a doubt in some people's mind. You can't really win as when word of this hit the public there were lots of people that said he deserved a chance. You try to make it sound like there was no punishment at the event which is not true and he was clearly upset about it. If I was trying to cover it up I would have never posted about it in length on my blog.

Sure he posts on my forums - a lot of people do... That doesn't mean they are all my friends... You're entitled to your opinion... it is quite obvious you are another one of the twisted trolls that inhabits the Internet. Anyways I am fine with how everything worked out. I have DQd a club member before at I GT here in Florida I ran - so go stick that in your lil pipe and have some fun with it freak .

Seems sketchy to me, and for you to call out and attack someone like that based on his opinion, I dont know man. Just lost the last bit of credibility that you barely had to begin with.

[bbf]

Oh woe is me.

[pogysnacks]

It is kinda pathetic that someone wants to win that bad at a tabletop mini game..not like there's a huge sum of money involved..but yes he was voicing his opinion on your point and you verbally attacked him..butthurt much? Also "woe is me" wow sarcasm towards somebody calling you out..well isn't that trolling after you just deemed someone else a troll? (Doug is a dirty old man troll)

[pogysnacks]

It is kinda pathetic that someone wants to win that bad at a tabletop mini game..not like there's a huge sum of money involved..but yes he was voicing his opinion on your point and you verbally attacked him..butthurt much? Also "woe is me" wow sarcasm towards somebody calling you out..well isn't that trolling after you just deemed someone else a troll? (Doug is a dirty old man troll)

[bbf]

It is sad that someone would use loaded dice to cheat - to be honest they are just not that bright as it was very obvious the dice was loaded.