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Post by Iron Warrior on Apr 22, 2006 2:23:30 GMT -5
Seems pretty clear to me that he did.
If I have to spend literaly hours taking pictures of my army, dling to the comp, emailing them in to get permission to play with models that some one may deem "inappropiate" or whatever, I dont think its worth the time and effort much less the money.
Absolutley right I do have that choice.
An Option I will be choosing this year.
I have seen some really nice DP done up, some really nice diaramah armies, people spend time and money into this hobby, prices keep sky rocketing, comp/sports are worth crap now a days, ya know with all the crap thats out there I would think this wouldn't be an issue. Man this hobby has gone in the crapper.
Have fun yourselves there.
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Post by cirrus on Apr 22, 2006 11:55:35 GMT -5
If I have to spend literaly hours taking pictures of my army, dling to the comp, emailing them in to get permission to play with models that some one may deem "inappropiate" or whatever, I dont think its worth the time and effort much less the money. It only asks for models you think are questionable. Do you have an all dryad slaaneshi daemonic legion? I have seen this army, looks incredible, but I would ask if it was legal, because it is technically a proxy army. This is not asking for pictures of your whole army, just teh questionable ones. IF you have 10 units fo teh same thing and converted similarily, why would you take seperate pictures of all of them? That's insane and a stretch from what was intended. I would send in at most 4 pictures with the slaaneshi dryads. 3 of troops/chariot/riders and 1 of a charcter. This would take all of 15 minutes maybe, if even. I have seen some really nice DP done up, some really nice diaramah armies, people spend time and money into this hobby, prices keep sky rocketing, comp/sports are worth crap now a days, ya know with all the crap thats out there I would think this wouldn't be an issue. Man this hobby has gone in the crapper. It's not an issue, but you are making it one. A nice DP is not a problem, why is it one? As stated before sensible diorama armies are fine. If you read the rules comp and sports are a big thing here. Some of this stuff doesn't seem like you're paying any attention. You seem very hostile towards this and there really is no reason. That would be the quote from your own rules here. Origionally the rules read very much alike between marauders and yours, until those that posted put in ridiculous statements. Now it is much more specific than even yours and yet it is still a problem? It is the same thing. Why this controversy? This opposition? This arguement? This is ridiculous. Yes I edited this.
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Post by Iron Warrior on Apr 22, 2006 16:28:34 GMT -5
The point is its more effort than its worth.
I could go to a rtt or GT and have no problem at all without having to mail pics in of my army and ask for permission to use them. Its no so much I have a problem with WYSIWYG its the process in which I must go through seems too cumbersome for a game. Whats next? Retinal scans to see if I am the one that actually painted the army? As I said before if I have to go through 50 steps to play a game, I choose not to play. You guys have fun at your tournement, more power to you.
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Post by Norton on Apr 25, 2006 8:42:13 GMT -5
I hate you Cirrus, I'm going to start my own basement filled with hot asian chicks so i can breed with them and then take the babies, show them a picture of you and then smash them with hammers when they start crying.
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Post by Ranger Dude on Apr 25, 2006 11:46:25 GMT -5
Mike...You need help!!!! Lots of it.
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Post by Iron Warrior on Apr 25, 2006 13:56:45 GMT -5
LMAO!!
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Post by Norton on Apr 25, 2006 15:27:54 GMT -5
Now i just need some asian hotties, Hey kdawg, you got a cousin or something? All i need is one to start. Throw her in the basement with some rice and water, and BOOM, instant population nightmare.
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Post by MajorSoB on Apr 25, 2006 16:52:39 GMT -5
Norton, you are a sick, sick man!!!!
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Post by MajorSoB on Apr 25, 2006 17:31:53 GMT -5
Back to the topic at hand...
I just started playing Fantasy. I think its a good game, but I see where the appeal might be more for the wargamer that enjoys painting and converting their army, moreso that in 40K. That being said, I see why many Fantasy players go to great lengths to create interesting and unique armies. I have seen some spectacular Fantasy armies at the Toronto GT that were full of conversions but also quite playable. I remember nothing of anyone there complaining about the conversions, to the contrary they attracted alot of attention and were refreshing to see in contrast to the straight, out-of-the box style armies.
On to you Cirrus..
I think your format sucks. Yes, I said sucks. Quite frankly, who the hell died and made you the Conversion Fuhrer? Hell the Nazis were more lenient on diversity than you are on conversions. Like Iron Warrior said, you can choose to allow them or not, or make some long drawn out approval process governing conversions, hey that is your right, but it is OUR right to biatch about it on OUR board and tell you to go to hell if that is the way you wish to run your tourney, period. Another thing, the conversion issue was not the only one that was discussed here. Seems that there were issues with the scoring and from what I understand there was not any attempt to do positioning in the matches. Funny that one of our members went undeafeated but didn't place. Nice job there, Cirrus! Sound like there should be a focus on fairness. Hey here is a solution, during the placement of each unit, if you are unsure what an opponent's unit is, try ASKING! That shouldn't be too hard right? Maybe that simple suggestion should solve all problems, either that or try adding the retina scan to you list of demands ( nice one Iron Warrior!! )
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Post by adsvampire on Apr 26, 2006 11:30:41 GMT -5
Ouch! Tough crowd. Major, you should be griping at Grumgore ... not Cirrus . On the most part there are months before the event. Plenty of time to make other conversions if need be. The rochester group did extremely well last year pulling 2 of the top 3 spots. It would be a shame to not have a chance to get revenge on Jason and John (my only 2 losses ... losers!!!) ;D or to meet any of the other fantansy players from you neck of the woods.
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Post by johnboo on Apr 26, 2006 14:48:56 GMT -5
Hey Adam! Yeah, some of us are still rolling it around as far as attending.
<Rant on> (even though I really wasnt going to reply to this post)
Personally, I'm waiting for the format to get more finalized before I decide. I'm ok with one form of comp, I dont think I want to bother if theres 3 (as there is currently). If the tourney is going to have a scenario card format, then use it - dont complicate it and wuss out and have a way out of it (random between choice of 2, get out of senario free) just because Johnny Gunline or Tommy Tzeentch-Boy doesnt like seeing the same hoser 3 games in a row. If your going to water it down, then you might as well just have a scenario for each game, then a player only gets hit once. Leave people's armies alone - They spent alot of time on an army they lovingly painted & converted. As long as something is based correctly, cant be confused for anything else, and a player tells his opponent what it represents before the game, all should be good to go. Make a note in the rules about proxying entire *armies* - as far as I'm concerned, this is where to draw the line, not on the one or two models that someone does to fit a theme. If a player complains, its sour grapes and that f-er needs his sports core adjusted by the head judge. Fix the point system. Something doesnt sit right when a player goes 5-0 with full points on 4 of those wins, has a neatly painted army & top knotch sports lose overall to someone who went 4-1. Not to mention having the ability to win a whole tournament without facing any of the top 4 finishers is inexcusable and I certainly hope this gets rectified this year.
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Post by boldo on Apr 26, 2006 20:13:57 GMT -5
Okay everyone here is my real problem with this. As Mike states that conversions will be rewarded in painting but require you to send photos first to make sure you can play them. This is very unfair to the out of town crowd and vertually crippling to the barely informed player who just felt like getting away for a weekend. The home town crew can check anytime about a conversion without taking pictures and sending emails. The out of towner who just shows up might have a model removed. This seems a bit harsh for a cool O&G chariot pulled bya troll, or riding a sleigh. I am not sure my experience is enhanced by convincing a player to take regular wolf riders rather than goblins riding squiggs on cav bases. Is the Warp lightning cannon made out of a basilisk barrel really that confusing? And if I have to replace my dioramic bases with regular dwarves does that make the tournament better or just put a sour taste in my mouth by forcing me to remove what I thought was a cool idea. To avoid having to photograh everything I might just not take them and get a lower painting score as a result and we already know that 5-0 with 4 massacres is not enough to win this tournament. Which might be a bigger problem then anything involving wysiwyg.
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Post by cirrus on Apr 26, 2006 22:06:07 GMT -5
@ Boldo's last post.
I have to say this is being blown out of proportion. Nothing you stated would be disallowed, picture or not. So, I fail to see your point. If you don't take something ridiculous, then you're fine.
Aside from a couple/few of the posters here, people need to open their eyes and become rational. This is being taken to extremes, and I fail to see why. This is still ridiculous.
@ those who bad/smack-talk. GROW-UP.
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Post by MajorSoB on Apr 26, 2006 22:25:08 GMT -5
Aside from a couple/few of the posters here, people need to open their eyes and become rational. This is being taken to extremes, and I fail to see why. This is still ridiculous. @ those who bad/smack-talk. GROW-UP. Hmmm, going 5-0 and not winning? Hmmm, not playing any of the top finishers in any rounds? Yes, Cirrus, thanks for addressing the issues. BTW, this is our board here too, watch your tone, oh and thanks for helping me make up my mind on playing in your tourney. If your answer to "Is this a legal conversion?" or "Why wasn't there positioning rounds?" is "Grow up.", then I guess we all will be saving some gas by not visiting you.
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Post by x2rock on Apr 26, 2006 23:07:45 GMT -5
Hey Adam! Yeah, some of us are still rolling it around as far as attending. <Rant on> (even though I really wasnt going to reply to this post) Personally, I'm waiting for the format to get more finalized before I decide. I'm ok with one form of comp, I dont think I want to bother if theres 3 (as there is currently). If the tourney is going to have a scenario card format, then use it - dont complicate it and wuss out and have a way out of it (random between choice of 2, get out of senario free) just because Johnny Gunline or Tommy Tzeentch-Boy doesnt like seeing the same hoser 3 games in a row. If your going to water it down, then you might as well just have a scenario for each game, then a player only gets hit once. Leave people's armies alone - They spent alot of time on an army they lovingly painted & converted. As long as something is based correctly, cant be confused for anything else, and a player tells his opponent what it represents before the game, all should be good to go. Make a note in the rules about proxying entire *armies* - as far as I'm concerned, this is where to draw the line, not on the one or two models that someone does to fit a theme. If a player complains, its sour grapes and that f-er needs his sports core adjusted by the head judge. Fix the point system. Something doesnt sit right when a player goes 5-0 with full points on 4 of those wins, has a neatly painted army & top knotch sports lose overall to someone who went 4-1. Not to mention having the ability to win a whole tournament without facing any of the top 4 finishers is inexcusable and I certainly hope this gets rectified this year. John, that's not fair, I tied for fourth and did beat the eventual winner to give him his only loss. As for the 4-1 vs. the 5-0 issue... it seems to be the trend that all the Indy GTs are following, battle scores counting for a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall score. The Marauder GT actually give battle a higher % than most of the Indy GTs. Some people like this, some people don't. The scenario cards are staying, I like them, always have, they work well.
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