Two tournaments, one saturday

[sinistermind]

"even after your team mate admitted openly, "Well that is not how it think it should be played but it's not against the rules."?"

Funny thing is i said that out of empathy, something i rarely see you offer to those of a different opinion or mindset... YES i understand how it can be seen that zombies are followers of nurgle(albeit in an unwilling manner) so the whole no mixing marks comes to mind, HOWEVER i did not even mention how blatant of a time stall it was for that to even be brought to a judges attention and that the lack of another turn due to an unnecessary rules dispute benefited your team. Seems pretty clear cut to me, no mark no problem!! Anything else you care too point out?

Incase your still not clear on what i meant, i AGREE ZOMBIES SHOULD HAVE THE MARK OR NURGLE, which means they would be subject to not mixing marks, if you want to play it that way ill gladly make my zombies t4

[MajorSoB]

Hang on Chris, if you are just hell bent on having wanting to rant, then go ahead, but if you take the time to read what I wrote, and if you think back to the game, I DEFENDED YOU AND YOUR INTERPRETATION, even when it conflicted with my partner's view. You played within the rules and there was nothing wrong with that in my mind. Like I said I had a good game against you and Kevin. The reason I cited that example was to illustrate that it is improper for anyone to fault another player when they are playing within the rules. You can express your opinion as to whether or not you think its cheesy, whatever, but at the end of the day you did nothing wrong and neither did Brian. GW made the rules, not you, not me and as long as we are playing 40K I believe we are bound by those rules and the official FAQ that follow. If you think it was a blatant time stall you are sadly mistaken. Please explain how another turn would have benefitted you? The "time stall" was no more blatant than when you placed your models outside of your deployment zone during set up, it was caught, corrected, and we moved on. When our game had ended, most of Kevin's army had died and since you needed both players to have a scoring unit in each quarter we had intended on eliminating the rest of his army to make that impossible if future turns were played. We still had plenty of units and firepower left that would have favored us more as the game progressed and I don't think the kill points in our game were even close. If that makes you feel better that you ran out of time when I brought up a rules question then so be it. I do not see how time was a factor at all in our game, and going last, which we did, made a huge difference since it allowed us the ability to place scoring troops where they were needed.

[sinistermind]

firstly i never said Brian was wrong in his list making, merely took a fact that was stated that i dont agree with(that disgustingly powerful lists are the norm or even majority at the tournaments i attend and have not found to be the case IMO) and asked for examples, and the part about knowing the outcome before it started is just pure fact, case in point, the results.... Congrats brian if i was one who did not applaud your armies victory because i dont remember nor do i consider it a big deal

secondly I am not ranting, you posted a half truth about my words/intentions and I saw fit to clarify, yes you did say you thought i was right about the rules

The models I had that were over the line were a good inch, inch and half maybe? hardly intentional, if anything it was because there 40mm bases would have been half on half off a 1" raised peice of terrain so i just set them on top rather than before it, apologies

thirdly,I spoke rashly by suggesting it was an intentional delay of game but i never said "if the game had gone another turn we would have won" , yes we were outgunned in that stage of the game but ANY number of factors could have come into play, such as my defiler dropping the battle cannon on one of your remaining troops that were in position to capture a quarter and they either die or run(since i only need one of the already depleted units gone because you hadnt used any fate tokens on units), or downed a vendetta and hence mulched the occupants preventing the double vendetta units needed to contest, and i dont know if you remember but your 2 depleted guardsmen units on the flank where the demolisher was would have been in charge range of my 30(minus maybe 5-8 casualties??)zombies had it gone one more turn
It seems you misunderstand alot of what i said, i did not say we would have won, i said it ending there benefited your team(hence your victory) going another turn in a game like this could have gone either way, as proved by kevins lord rolling a 1 for deamon weapon then failing a single 3+ armour save, when that alone could have mulched your troop(s), just providing an example of how little is needed to turn the game im not playing "what if's" ...

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At least people are finding this crap entertaining.

For clarity's sake let me explain that in DaBoyz GT it was ruled that I could not place Abaddon in a unit of zombies because he had different marks. I had to play the tournament like that which is why the question came up when your team decided to put your Khrone lord in with the zombies to avoid being blown to bits the next turn.

My past experience brought up a question in game. So we pulled out rule books and called over a judge because that was a legitimate question. Other tools around us then decided to put their input in to the mix instead of playing their own games which only delayed things. No it was not a intentional delay of game.

At that point in the game more rounds only served to secure us a victory because it meant more turns of shooting at your defiler, at the khrone lord, at the havocs, at the hidden rhino, at the obliterators, at the zombies, at Typhus...etc...etc...End all be all we had last turn and in a mission like that it was a huge boon to go last. We wanted to make sure we took out everything that could injure the Vendettas before dumping out our scoring units to contest one of your table quarters. Tactics. We wanted to ensure we not only got in enough time that we may have last turn but end on time. Our turns were quick. Minor movement, shoot, as most guard armies are.

Would another turn changed things? Doubtful. Could have your zombies made a 6' move and a 9-11 in. charge (not including over watch), possible but unlikely. Our troops would have stayed in the undamaged vendettas weathered the remainder of your autocannon havoc shooting and then we would have repeated the process of dumping out troops out to contest the quarter again. The turning point of that game was the Khrone lord dying to the Vet sarge of the guardsmen squad. Nothing else was in our lines and your defiler which was pounding us was pretty much gone. Oblits were gone, all that was left at that point that could shoot us was the 4 autocannons. But, I suppose you could say there was a chance of things turning out differently, had there been another turn and had the dice gone well for you. Sure. I will agree to that.

Blatant delay? No, it took a whole of 5 mins to resolve. *shrugs* If looking up rules that come into question is a blatant delay then this game has changed a lot. I think I might be done, I can honestly say that was a terrible weekend. The atmosphere was unfriendly and being harrased at the end of the tournament by one of the players was by far not only childish but uncalled for.

[crimthaan]

Well...it's certainly been a long while since I posted anything on this board, as I got sick of the crap.

I come back a few months later thinking "well, maybe it's not as bad as it used to be, maybe the same old people chilled out" ... NOPE.

I'm not even going to get into how I feel about this all this crap or my opinions on what have been said. All I'm going to say is I'm done with it. If you want to get a game in with me you already have my contact information.

I'd like to thank Smitty, Kemp, Jay, Courtney, and the Hobin's for all the hard work you guys have put into events and game in the past. You guys are awesome and I'm glad you're my friends. Let me know if there is ever anything you need help with in the future by get a hold of me another way, I'm done with this forum and the crap that people bring to it.

[travis]

I am out of town next week on business. I will be starting a new forum where this type of discussion is not part of it. Forum super heroes can stay here and get the attention they need. I can't imagine having this much free time in my life to banter back and forth about a game.

This community of players deserves to have a space where they can go and post pictures of events, talk about events, schedule meetups and have strictly positive feedback. This is after all a hobby. It is something people put dutiful hours into so that they can enjoy.

There are plenty of forums out there where you can argue back and forth like little girls while trying to flex your epeen. When I have a problem with someone I go and talk to them. There is a myriad of reasons why I do this one of which is that I don't really care about the attention of the forum superheroes. Also from time to time I can act irrational, emotional or ignorant. The last thing I want is everlasting proof of this on the internet because some days it just happens. Either way these types of discussions are not a good reflection of the community or most of its players.

I don't wanna hear "Well forums are meant for lively discussions". That is true if the parties involved are adults and act accordingly. It would be nice if there was a space dedicated to the local players and there efforts that didn't have the constant back and forth nonsense that so often happens here. I may even call the forum Lollipops and gum drops. Why? Because those people that have a negative opinion about that type of forum I don't need them to be a part of it.

[chaoscraig]

well guys i wasnt at the tournament because of work but heres my take.......(not that it means anything)

the fact that the barbarian took a broken list really should have nothing to do with dougs rant....there is no proof of coercion to piss people off. that is a thingy list and the last time we will see it. That being said I dont mind thingy lists. Congrats on the win.(Nothing sarcastic here so dont attack me for it. I mean it.I really do like it when people who dont usually win, do.)

the closest thing to a flyer list that ive seen at MG is ....well I havnt seen one. The Closest thing I've seen to a leaf-blower is well....Dougs IG. I actually asked him if he was runnin the leaf blower and his reply was "its not a leaf blower I only have one manticore" what he meant to say was "im running 2 Medusas instead of manticores"(last year this happened by the way) Doug I dont hold it against you that you dont realize the things your saying are contradictory sometimes. (like the time you jumped all over my ass for trying to figure out how to secure coffee to satiate a caffiene driven addiction so I could come to the lock-in and drive back to Buffalo afterwards.)(thanks for the jumpstart to guys)

Doug....I believe that your post started out innocent here. I would truly like to believe that. Writing in a forum like this can oftentime twist and misconstrue what you are saying to sound negative. Please remember that in the future.

I really like gaming with all of you, and even though my sportsmanship scores always suck(im looking at you running gagg crew) I always have good games.

but in all seriousness guys.....quit feeding the troll.

By the way.... whos going to adepticon and needs transportation or a room?

[chaoscraig]

Wow i just re-read my post and the forum changed a term for male reproductive organs into thingy.....so please dont assume i talk like a child. ;D

[Catachan Colonel]

Mar 16, 2013 11:48:49 GMT -5 travis said:

I am out of town next week on business. I will be starting a new forum where this type of discussion is not part of it.]

millennium games already has its own forum.
millenniumgames.proboards.com/index.CGI last post was last September.

["LAST FREAK'N DRAGON"]

What the fu$#!
Is this for real?
Sounds like the "WWF" with paint brushes.
I think I'll wait another month before I return.

Have a nice day!
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[solyer]

I am very new to this site and very new to warhammer in general. I have had a great experience so far with the people at millennium. The biggest reason I wanted to get into this hobby in the first place was because its a fun dynamic game that seemed to encourage good sportsmanship and something other than just winning a game. I am a very competitive person and can understand many peoples frustrations on here but this is just ridiculous. I have never seen so much complaining in my life. You guys really need to just talk it out over the phone or something or the moderators need to put a new section up for complaints. If the OP had a bunch of support behind his claims than this would have been a valid post and their would have been hopefully some great discussion on how to change things for the better (I'd hope the people running the events would be open to what the audience is asking for.) but its not and has caused a bunch of crying.

I am going to the tournament tommorow as my first one just for fun. If I win or lose it doesnt matter. I'm going to try like hell to win because I'm competitive and thats how you should play a game, to win. However I sure hope I don't have to play against too many of the people on this thread who are at each others throats, and if I do I hope their a better sport in person than on here. If someone is being a complete douch and is just there to win and doesnt care about having fun than I'll just let the person win and move on. Its 10 bucks thatt I consider spent on entertainment for the day. If I win something than thats cool, if not, its all good with me. I am not playing the game for money but instead to make some friends and hang out for a fun saturday afternoon. I sure hope the attitude on this thread doesnt carry over to tommorows event or I have a feeling i'll be sticking to my tuesday games that have so far been a good time.