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Post by Catachan Colonel on Jan 25, 2006 18:41:17 GMT -5
lots?
ok name 13
I would also point out there are more than one example of using the worst.
More often i think one uses the sequentially last.
example venerable dready saus reroll that imobalise and it gets exploded.
do we then roll for area roll sequentially a 6,66,6,6,6,6, 1 and use the 1?
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jan 25, 2006 18:49:27 GMT -5
You do not apply multiple results of stunned or shaken becuase no additional effects take effect. The same goes for exploded.
The problem with your weapon destroyed rebuttle, is that indeed it is a special case, with special rules that tell you multiple effects take place. Since exploded does not have the special rules to support multiple effects there is no addtional or compunded effect. So no rolling 2d6 and taking the highest result.
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Post by McCommander on Jan 25, 2006 18:57:04 GMT -5
I'm not that board to name/ look up 13, how about one! Ord. pen result. Roll 2d6 and take the highest. Can you name one average?
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Post by McCommander on Jan 25, 2006 19:12:02 GMT -5
Just because it doesn't have special rules what makes you think that it shouldn't be treated as normal? I still haven't heard a rules based answer for this?
You would, but in this case (two stunned results) they would be meaningless, which is why we have a special rule that tells us they are. Explosion has no rule telling us that two explosions are meaningless, Because they are not.
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Post by dragons3 on Jan 25, 2006 19:28:42 GMT -5
I was clear, made it simple and Brian agrees with me for the second time today. That makes it GOSPEL! A different take, a single role of die for the D6 explosion would be welcomed by your opponent. In return, you point this out to him and your COMP SCORE should not suffer because your are the true sportsman. Since you guys never got to part 2 of the question, I shall set it up. That Rino you shot 6 times was destroyed, your intent was to have it explode so your scoring units could move into your opponents deployment zone. With dangerous terrain on both sides, you decide to fire at the destroyed Rino till it explodes. If tank traps have an Armour value of 10, what is the Armour value that is used to explode a destroyed Rino,(ala terrain)?
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jan 25, 2006 19:50:16 GMT -5
So your going to take it upon yourself to create special rules that allow you to explode a vehichle twice? No rules support me that I cant take choices from other codexs, so long as I follow the force org. Therefore (Since there is no WRITTEN rule) I can take necron troops, Chaos Oblits, Guard tanks and Marine land speeders all in one army. But we all know this is not the case.
There are alot of support in the rules that would support that there is not dual explosions going on, that there is no taking the highest of the 2d6 explosion. And very little to support what you saying is true.
So by the same token, There are no written rules to support that you roll 2d6 and take the highest for multiple explosions, therefore the argument is at an end since you agree with this logic.
Lots of rules based answered were given, You heard them, you just decided not to listen.
Since this is not a grey area, as you said before, then why is it that you cannot understand what everyone is saying by, re-repeating the SAME rules over and over again. General consensus seem to agrue one way and you another.*shrugs* Been there done that.
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Post by McCommander on Jan 25, 2006 20:17:01 GMT -5
Your twisting wording and still saying nothing?
Rules set one: "For each shot look up result and apply"
Rules set two: Special Written Rules for doubles of (Shaken, Stunned, Immobilized, and Weapon Destroyed)
No special rules written for doubles of Vehicle Exploded to tell us what to do.
Hence....
Rules as Written: See rule set number one for clarification. Proceed as normal.
Strict logic. Looks clear to me.... What do you have? Quote me something in the rules that helps your sides argument?
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jan 25, 2006 21:27:02 GMT -5
If you still dont get the concept of what everyone else is saying then you are at an impass.
There is no need for me to repeat the rules again. This would be the 8th time (or 9th?) Obviously you dont get it. Thats fine. I see what your saying but you are coming to solutions that are not stated to be legal conclusions or even supported, much less written in word in the BBB.
IMHO pulling this in a tournament would be shadey at best, possibly discourage your opponet from giving you good sports. Anywhere else it may be looked upon with scorn and probably over ruled. Maybe in that one circumstance it may not be and you get the outcome you are looking for. Honestly was it worth it? Earned the contempt of your opponent and waste time in a game to make your obscure point.
The foundation on which you base your argument is shakey. Pretty much what you are saying is that since no rules are writting in your scenario that deny it, it should be this way. But one could say the same the other way, there are no rules supporting what your saying is true, no where does it say roll 2d6 and take the highest, no where does it say multiple explosion coumpound each other (BUT there ARE rules for other results being compounded). Its quite a stretch. But if you wont listen to logic, reason or the other people that expressed thier opinions here on how it has worked, works and will work, then I dont think this is worth discussing much further. It becomes a circuitious argument between the one and the many. cheers.
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Post by MajorSoB on Jan 25, 2006 21:38:20 GMT -5
OK here is the deal....
I see this situation as being quite clear thanks to Orville. Once the vehicle explodes from the first penitration, the blast radius is rolled (once) and the model is removed from the table, then you are done. You can apply the next result (second explosion) once the model is safely tucked in my case if it makes you happy. Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier, I would downgrade you for sportmanship if you pulled this crap in a tourney. The GT scoring system specifically asks if you felt your opponent was manipulating the rules to their advantage. You can't tell me that this is not some way you are trying to bend the rules for an extra inch or two in a blast area? No? Hang on, my bullnuts detector just went off..
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jan 25, 2006 21:41:06 GMT -5
bullnuts?
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Post by MajorSoB on Jan 25, 2006 21:46:45 GMT -5
Apparently the word NAZI wont let me say BULL$HIT.
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Post by McCommander on Jan 25, 2006 22:10:12 GMT -5
I'm basically done as well after after this. You are the one that doesn't seem to be getting it. I'm not sure where you are getting all high and mighty by saying "What everyone else is saying" Yes, there are a few that have agreed to your side as well as mine. If that were to be the judge we would need a poll of some sort. Other boards have that capability. Tommy does this one? That having been said the majority of Americans still think that Bush is a good president. That doesn't make them right, just un-informed.
As far as restating the rules for your side for the 8th or 9th time.... I'm don't see that you have quoted anything specific at all the gives your side any strength. mostly just blather about how you personally feel it should work rather than rules interpretation. Looking though the posts again all you really have done is quote a lack of rules which we are all aware of.
The sportsmanship issue is completely separate. That could be it's own rant.
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Post by evilerik on Jan 25, 2006 22:30:38 GMT -5
personally, i think u all are just post sleepers , but seriously, my opinion is just roll at dice apply all imobilized and weapon destroyed results, and if there is a glance 6 and a pen 6, always go with the pen. None of this "bullnuts"( ) stuff about rolling one first because it would be more beneficial. ps, after i did the preview of this post, apparetnly Wh0re$ getts replaced with "sleepers". interesting
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Post by Iron Warrior on Jan 25, 2006 22:51:51 GMT -5
Well, Kevin, There have been alot of rules stating by Orville, Myself, Tommy, Doug, evil Erik here, Hagbard and Gabe that would say you are incorrect in you support of you 2d6 pen theory. What more do you want...as for support...who do you mean? The misinformed Dragons who rolls dice in a box? (ZING DRAGONS! ) Ok sure I will give you that. Some of my posts may be personal opinion, just like youre concept of the 2d6 pen theory, mere opinion. Which alot of evidence has been brought forth to other wise say the theory cannont be due to rules specifications. As spoken by and I will name, Tom, Orville (more than once) Me in the begining, Doug, Dave and Gabe. Erik agrees on how it should be done. Do you think a poll will help this issue? If we get a majority to say your wrong will you accept it? We already have that right now, you just want to see it in a poll? Ok Sure, tom, can you post a poll on this please? BTW just because someone thinks Bush is a good president does not make one misinformed. Perhaps they just like the guy. oH CRAP Eriks on to me!! Blast! ;D
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Post by MajorSoB on Jan 26, 2006 0:03:47 GMT -5
BTW just because someone thinks Bush is a good president does not make one misinformed. Perhaps they just like the guy. And you have to admit a good Bush is better than a some slick Willy anyday. Personally I prefer Bush. (Post Wh0res, my A$$!!!!!)
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