Millennium & Daboyz GT Comp question

[hyv3mynd]

Hey Gang~

I'm wondering if the bi-monthly tourneys at Millennium and the upcoming GT will be scoring army composition points.

I know the March tourney at Millennium used the Adepticon mission and scoring along with sportsmanship scorecards, but I'm unaware of a composition score weighing into the placement results. The best I can recall, Chris and Jay took 1st and 2nd with 3-0 records but were they the only ones? Was it based first on win record, then on points?

The reason I ask is I really want to nail down a finalized 1850 list that I can paint/convert and practice with a goal of placing in the future tourneys. I don't really spam things, but I have two duplicates on the lists I like to play and if that's really going to effect my scoring I'd like to change them out now while I can.

I've read through the adepticon reports, but there are a lot of razorback, chimera, battlewagon, and other spam lists. Did all those players sacrifice comp points to try and win more by spamming, or was adepticon not comp scored?

Any help and advice is welcome and appreciated!

~Aaron

[Timbo]

The scoring Millennium uses is here: millenniumgames.com/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=145&op=page&SubMenu=

The comp from last year's GT is here: www.daboyzgt.com/gt09/Final%20Comp.htm

I don't know how heavily weighted it is at Millennium, but it accounted for 9% of your score at the GT. So it's not going to make or break you, but is a way of separating people who score similar battle points. As long as you don't play ultra-spam, your score shouldn't be bad enough to hinder you.

[jay]

I am not sure if they are doing comp points.

Are you playing nids? if so i would recommend taking what you want. It is hard not to build a non comp list with nids unless you are taking three trygons and three squads of hive guard.

[hyv3mynd]

Thanks guys.

Jay ~ Yup, Tyranids. My worry was 2 Tervigons and 2 Harpies. I don't think you would lose points for troops choice repetition such as Tervigons. I think the Harpies would pass by as they're an unpopular choice right now in competitve lists. Only 1 Trygon and nothing in triplicate so I should be good I guess.

Thanks for the input.

[Garou24]

With 2 harpies I doubt they would ding you on Comp. It would be fun to see those models since many people do not use them.

[Krusty (zack)]

2 harpies isnt so bad, but dont be surprised by the amount of complaining the 2 tervigons will get you...

[hyv3mynd]

Zack ~ Allthough it's true, facing two Tervigons from the other side of the table can brew up some harsh feelings, I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of the Mech IG lists or razorback spam, up and coming dreadnaught spam, leafblower, etc. If someone docks me 2 pts for having two of the same troops choices, I'd argue that they'd have to dock an ork for taking two warbosses with nobs as troops, two big meks with deffdreads, or BA with two furioso's as troops.

[Horst]

its more the fact that tervigons, for 160 points, give you an unpredictable amount of gaunts on the table, while a unit of boys comparable in size, can be planned for. You can't plan for the player who spawns 60 gaunts per game from each tervigon because he rolls well.

I'd dock you comp points for 2 tervigons, mainly because they are so very good for how low their points cost is.

[hyv3mynd]

LOL, you'd dock me based on the points to goodness ratio of two tervigons taken as troop choices?

I'd hate to see how you score an IG army with 6 chimeras or SM with 6 razorbacks, 6 ironclads, BA with 9 dreads, orks with 9 cans and 2 dreads or 6 battlewagons. IMO, taken in conext as to what units can be spammed, 2 tervigons is nothing. Especially since you could easily fit 5 tervigons into 1850 and still buy other elites and heavies.

[MajorSoB]

Like Jay said play what you want but also be willing to accept the consequences related to your choices. In most comp systems ( at least the ones that work) duplication is frowned upon. 2 harpies and 2 tervigons will knock your score down some, but then again they are only a few pieces of the puzzle now. Your final score is more of a reflection of the army as a whole. Are you planning on taking gaunts or genestealers? How about the Doom of Malanti? Etc....

While our GT has some points similar to Adepticon, we are trying to promote more balanced lists then what you tend to see there. 5 Battlewagons and 17 Chimera list are not encouraged by us, but again play what you want, just be willing to accept the price associated with your list.

Dont ask us so much as to what we think of your list, ask yourself. Are you building something where you would look at it and say "Wow, this will be a fun game to play" or are you building something that someone would see and say " Looks like I am getting my butt kicked this round!". Be honest with yourself and I am sure you can answer your own question on comp.

[jay]

Apr 10, 2010 12:49:05 GMT -5 Horst said:

its more the fact that tervigons, for 160 points, give you an unpredictable amount of gaunts on the table, while a unit of boys comparable in size, can be planned for. You can't plan for the player who spawns 60 gaunts per game from each tervigon because he rolls well.


I'd dock you comp points for 2 tervigons, mainly because they are so very good for how low their points cost is.

In the same reasoning i only expect to see only one Rhino. If you have more then one, then you should be docked points. 35 points for this tank is great. no difference in your thinking.

["LAST FREAK'N DRAGON"]

OK, I'LL BITE!
NEXT MILLENNIUM I"LL PLAY 2 HARPYS ONE WITH A HEAVY VENOM CANNON AND A TERVIGON AS A TROOP CHOICE AND THEY AIN'T THAT GOOD WHEN THEY DIE, (I LOST 16 GAUNTS GAME OVER). BANANAS AND PINEAPPLES RULE!

YOU JUST HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT!

CIAO!

[Horst]

jay, you can't really compare a rhino to a tervigon in terms of comp. sure, the rhino may be really cheap, but it comes at a huge disadvantage in killpoints missions (where a tervigon is still a monstrous creature with 6 wounds and is d**n hard to kill, and can cast useful psychic powers).

Also, while the rhino is a good, cheap tank, its a static, predictable threat. You know what it is going to do as an opponent, and you can plan for it. The tervigon, you don't know what its going to do. It could sit there and spawn 60+ gaunts, or it could spawn 3. for 160 points, its a great deal.

[jay]

I agree Rhino vs tervigon. 35 points to 160 points.

so a tervigon in a kill point mission is also not that good. Spawning gaunts in a kill point mission is never good.

what i was saying is that if you take one Tervigon is not the issue. If you take two tervigons is also not that bad. But taking 5 to 6 is the issue. It is same as taken one rhino is also not bad, but when i see a army full of tanks i have an issue with.

If am playing against an army with 3 to 4 rhinos and 3 to razorbacks then i don't want to hear crap from them with me bringing two tervigons.

And yes you can come up with a theme taking all mech. army, but could also come up with a theme for taking an army with 5 tervigons.


Also, while the rhino is a good, cheap tank, its a static, predictable threat. You know what it is going to do as an opponent, and you can plan for it. The tervigon, you don't know what its going to do. It could sit there and spawn 60+ gaunts, or it could spawn 3. for 160 points, its a great deal.

[Horst]

the difference between an all mech list and a tervigon spam list is that each mechanized unit carries a differently equipped squad, while tervigons are all the same... tervigons.

comp is about encouraging diversity, and while a mech theme may all be in rhinos, you can do mech armies that have diversity in equipped units. A marine tac squad with a fist, melta, and multimelta has a VERY different role than a squad with a power sword, flamer, plasma cannon. I'll knock down comp points for anyone taking 2 identical squads, in any codex. nids are no exception with tervigons.